(not sure if this is the right community, sorry)
Hi, someone posted this on another server. I’d like to request we defederate with rammy.site and exploding-heads.com as well. I scrolled through some of their posts and comments and it’s full of ridiculous anti-left propaganda, for example a post where some liberal Florida family fleeing the state when some child protection laws got passed, implying liberals abuse children and won’t live in a state that doesn’t allow them to. Just take a look for yourself.
" Admins of Lemmy.ml please consider defederating from rammy.site it has been taken over by right wing malicious actors from exploding-heads.com and the admin is nowhere to be found.
It is imperative that you take action as soon as possible the users on rammy are using the site to spread their messages to a further audience, we must nip this in the bud. If you don’t believe me check the instance for yourself, you’ll see it dominated with bigoted right wing posts and spam communities."
Edit: So many commenters think this is about political opinions or disagreement. It’s not. If I said “Mixing bleach and ammonia is good for you” I bet some of you would call that a political disagreement.
Please don’t! The whole reason I made an account here is because they don’t defederate. I want to control what I read. If you have a problem with a certain instance or user, block them yourself! It’s very easy.
I don’t want to have to spin up a whole instance just for myself.
I can block users or communities but I don’t think there’s a way to block instances.
There are some tricks you can do with uBlock, which I’ve done, but that doesn’t help on apps.
I hope this feature gets added to Lemmy at some point.
So, the effect of “blocking an instance” is that you’d be blocking all users from that instance? Seems like a useful feature.
What I had in mind was only to block posts from that instance when browsing “all”. Exploding-Heads and Lemmygrad, for example, each have a lot of different communities that are all ideologically identical and it’s tedious to block each one individually.
But I like your idea even more. Blocking all users from an instance should also be possible at the user-level. This would be similar to defederation.
The Android app Connect has it. I’ve blocked a few instances, so I don’t see communities on them. I do see posts from users from those instances, but they’re collapsed by default, though I do see responses. Example:
I decided to see for myself so I could voice an informed opinion. One of the first posts I saw on their (EH) Local channel, titled Based Pride Month, is an image of a headline reading, Saudi Arabia Celebrate Pride Month by Hanging Gays with Rainbow Noose. This is hateful content. My ability to discern such has nothing to do with savvy. I don’t want to see these opinions because they are grotesque.
However, I haven’t seen ExHeads leaking out into the greater Lemmiverse. That said, I want nothing to do with anyone who considers this ok. Even if they are currently fairly contained, they have made it clear who they are and I choose not to surround myself with bigots.
I vote to defederate. We don’t need to wait for them to become a huge pain in the ass. They are showing us who they are.
So, why don’t you block it yourself? Why are you making that decision for others?
How do you block an instance?
I just block whole communities. I’ve blocked most of the shitpost communities and now my feed is clean. Plus, I just stich to “subscribed” feed most of the time. It’s really easy to not see things you don’t like.
Yeah I’d certainly like to know as well
What do you think a federation is? If you don’t like the decisions of an instance you go to another one. If this instance defederates from rammy.site I’m staying, if not I’m leaving. You’re free to leave if they defederate too, and if you felt the need to leave because of it I’d be happy to have you gone.
I simply don’t understand what you gain by asking someone else to block content for you when you could simply do it yourself. You get all the benefits of not seeing the content you don’t like without imposing your will onto others.
It’s not about blocking content from my feed, it’s about the instance not relaying that content. Maybe you would feel differently if it was child porn?
Yes. I would feel different if it was child porn. However, that is completely irrelevant because that crosses a legal line. So far your only argument is that there’s content there you don’t like. Not that there’s something there that is equivalent to child pornography. Be genuine with your arguments.
I never argued there is content I don’t like (although I guess that’s implied, I don’t like it. But I also don’t like child porn?). Some of it actually is illegal, free speech has exceptions in the jurisdiction of SDF, but regardless of whether or not you believe that, I don’t understand why anyone would want to remain federated with an unmoderated instance.
The only part that you need to understand is that some people don’t like it when other people make decisions for them. So, if something illegal is happening, call the police. If something you don’t like is happening then you take steps you need to avoid it. For yourself.
Please stop drawing the process out and find somewhere better suited to your preferences.
Take your own advice and block me so you don’t see this post?
You said it better than I was going to. Keeping truthaboutjews.ru out of grandma’s feed is one thing, but I feel like I’m savvy enough to read garbage responsibly. Maybe I’m being overconfident but there it is.
Do you have the same level of confidence in children and people who are deeply mentally ill?
If you want to read far-right trash, you can set up an account on a far-right trash server, rather than insisting that everybody else on the instance tolerates them for your convenience.
Their posts might be a harmless novelty for you but for others, they’re threats of violence and celebrations of abuse.
I’m not SDF, or even that familiar with the organisation, but I would argue we shouldn’t let such people use this instance. Or grandma from my example, for that matter.
I never said they’re a harmless novelty to me. I don’t particularly expect to interact with these people but if I do I promise it won’t be in support of their hate, or even passive of it.
Like people have said, you can block things for yourself.
It sounds like you think it’s easy to police who can join an instance. The privacy ramifications of what you’re alluding to are troubling.
Sort of, but if you leave the door wide open you get, like, straight-up spambots, and then everyone defederates you. It’s pretty hard to make an email address without your real-life identity or something equivalent for the same reason.
Right now, finding SDF in the first place is the main barrier that’s assuring a certain sort of person is on here.
So you think grandmas and children and people with mental illness shouldn’t be allowed here, but people who call LGBT people slurs and make jokes about hanging them should be?
That’s…really not at all how SDF operates.
I’m not sure that this approach is in-line with the org’s stated mission.
Oh, okay.
In case that read as an ageist thing, it’s not, there’s plenty of equally dumb 20-somethings. It might be elitist, I guess I have to own that.
This instance is run by a 501© non-profit and their stated mission is:
I didn’t necessarily take your statement to be ageist. However, considering the above, excluding those who may not have strong critical reasoning skills or understanding of the Internet really seems contradictory.
A 501© also has to steer clear of politics, at least on paper, which could be an issue here. It’s odd that I know that as a non-American.
And neither hate speech nor speech aimed at inciting or celebrating violence against minority groups are considered protected, political speech. So, I would see that as a moot point. If it were a case of “we should de-federate because these are instances where policies are discussed that I disagree with”, you might have a point in that.
However, that’s clearly not the case. It took less than a minute, not searching, to find content from these instances that is using falsified information to demonize and foment hatred against those in the LGBTQ+, including communities dedicated to that purpose. Human rights and whether all deserve them is not a political topic, despite being made central to some political parties’ platforms. It is one of basic human dignity and ethics.
“Let’s just give them free reign and leave the people they’re trying to bully into suicide block them” sounds pretty passive to me.
Something people have been able to do on every platform the far-right have built a little rat nest on.
Looking at the last 5 years, do you feel that strategy has been effective?
Well, you’re being true to you name, but I guess I’d question if your approach has been effective. We could make a walled garden, but that’s just [insert big platform] again and we all know where that goes.
“But hate is different!” well yeah it is, but walled garden is bad and semi-walled garden has proved unstable. By federating we’ve accepted that people will use the fediverse for whatever; defederating from something as a political tool effects only people on this small instance with highly mobile users such as myself, which is useless. If it was a bigger instance maybe you would be right.
Of course, I’m basically a guest here, so I have to temper my opinions even on that, and you’re not even on this instance. It seems like there’s some free speech absolutists here so maybe I’m wasting my breath.
Edit: And I think federation is still different from 4chan or similar. It’s not open, maybe it’s a movable-wall garden. I’d gladly wall off these people but I paradoxically don’t want to be walled off from them, and an SDF defederation fails on both counts.
You aren’t even a user of SDF Lemmy. So why are you spamming everyone here with your irrelevant opinions?
Sounds like you’ll hate the work exploding-heads do then. Better defederate.
This instance, which you are not a member of, is for adults who can decide what they want to read for themselves.
Maybe you should stick to discussing issues about the instance you’re actually on, instead of wasting people’s time in discussions which don’t involve you.
Don’t worry, you’re the smartest adult in the room so if my comments are upsetting you, just don’t read them.
It’s fascinating that this solution of yours is apparently only for other people reading far-right extremism.