It has been said a gazillion times over the last few months, but is it getting through to those who need to hear it?

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    Yep, we also say that because there are a lot of astroturf accounts pushing Stein and De La Cruz on Lemmy that are hyper-critical of Harris but suspiciously never want to talk about what a shitbag Trump is.

      • @Archer@lemmy.world
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        I’m really encouraged by the fact that universalmonk and return2ozma’s posts get heavily downvoted when they push this slop in Lemmy

    • John Richard
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      They don’t push them. They just push back against Democrats that invent lies about Stein. It seems most Democrats can’t handle truths about Harris praising and committing to funding war criminals like Netanyahu & Dick Cheney.

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        we can handle them just fine because the fact of the matter is trump would be way worse for Palestine. There’s a reason Netanyahu prefers Trump.

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          Stein would be better by your logic because she’d stop sending multibillion dollar thank you checks to Israel whenever they kill American journalists.

          • @acosmichippo@lemmy.world
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            no, because stein is a stooge and has no chance at all of winning anyway. that’s the entire point of the article.

            • John Richard
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              Why is she a stooge? You don’t like democracy or you scared Kamala supporting war criminals might mean Stein has more of an impact than you’d like to admit?

              • @acosmichippo@lemmy.world
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                She is funded by republicans and has no experience in government whatsoever. She is utterly unqualified for running the most powerful country on earth. She literally only exists to take votes from democrats.

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                  Now, now… She did win a seat in the Lexington town meeting in 2005. :)

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein

                  "2005 Lexington Town Meeting

                  In 2005, Stein set her sights locally, running for the Lexington Town Meeting, a representative town meeting, the local legislative body in Lexington, Massachusetts. Stein was elected to one of seven seats in Precinct 2.[156] She finished first of 16 candidates, receiving 539 votes (20.6%). Stein was reelected in 2008, finishing second of 13 vying for eight seats.[157] Stein resigned during her second term to again run for governor.[158]"

                • John Richard
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                  Republicans fund Democrat candidates all the time if they think it will help them. It doesn’t mean she is a Republican or has Republican policies. Russians funded Bernie in 2016.

                  Every other candidate exists to take votes from another candidate. She is against funding genocide in Israel.

                  People crave a non-establishment politician. So this whole, she isn’t the “establishment” thing you got going on doesn’t help your case at all. Are you saying she doesn’t have experience on being a corporate puppet like establishment politicians do? And that is a bad thing why?

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                    I’m not talking about republican-leaning citizens, I’m talking about the literal Republican Party funding Stein. Trump’s personal attorney Jay Sekulow has represented Stein in various court cases around this election.

                    So this whole, she isn’t the “establishment” thing

                    nice straw man.

                    Are you saying she doesn’t have experience on being a corporate puppet like establishment politicians do? And that is a bad thing why?

                    I’m saying she literally has no experience with how government works, in any aspect. She’s a physician. She has no law degree, no experience in legislation at any level, no experience in administration at any level. No foreign policy experience at all (except dining with Putin). I’d sooner vote for AOC to be president than Jill Stein.

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              No I refuse to support people that are pro genocide. It’s that simple really. I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night knowing that I voted for that. I was going to vote for Kamala but I just can’t do it unless she changes her position before the election.

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                You hopefully won’t be able to sleep at night when things get worse because you refused to get your hands a little dirty doing what’s best.

                I don’t like to clean dirty dishes, but it’s got to be done sometimes. I’d rather it just go away, but the alternative is much worse. I recognize that doing nothing doesn’t actually accomplish anything, as nice as that feels. I have to just get over it and get it done before things get much worse.

                • John Richard
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                  I’ll sleep just fine because I stood up and was on the side of humanity and compassion, not the one that was so blind that they voted for the person that praises Dick Cheney and says how she’ll always support genocide.

                  • Cethin
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                    Don’t worry. I know that you were going to sleep fine regardless. You’re likely a decently well off white person. It wasn’t going to bother you no matter what. You aren’t the people who you are sacraficing, and you’re OK with that. That’s fine. Don’t pretend like you’re hands are clean though. You’re a part of this, and you have the power to participate in a meaningful way. You’re choosing not to so you can feign moral superiority though. That’s cool. I see you though.

                • John Richard
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                  Whatever analogy you’re trying to create, what you’re saying is that you are going to vote to continue funding genocide. Democrats have become the party of the neocons. Not surprising considering Obama would lock up the activists revealing that he US was killing journalists in Iraq.

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                Okay… well, either way- at least we won’t have to hear from you all after November… so, enjoy it while it lasts I guess. We’ll all just see you again in 2028 when you push whoever is running against democratic choice.

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                  I’m not going anywhere. You’ll be the one to not care about anything until the next election. BTW, it is funny you talk about the Democratic choice in this election.

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                    Your “nO i’M nOt! U aRe!” has the same vibe as “I know you are but what am I?” Which is to say…. Cringy.

                    And whether you will predictably disappear along with the rest of the idealist leftists that always do once an election is decided- will remain to be seen.

                    I’ll stick around because I’ll have no reason to hide. If we win, I’ll be here celebrating with everyone else. And if we lose, I’ll be here blaming people like you…

                    With everyone else.

      • @Soup@lemmy.cafe
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        You men Shill Stein? What lies are being told about Shill Stein? In what way is Shill Stein being besmirched, and how can I add to it?

            • John Richard
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              So being against genocide of Palestinians and Arabic people is now considered MAGAspeak to Democrats?

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                No. Accusing anyone that disagrees with you (reference: gEnOciDe sUpPoRtEr)of something that’s demonstrably false is considered MAGAspeak.

                News flash:

                EVERYONE is against genocide bud. You don’t belong to a special grassroots movement of people that keyed in on something that everyone else can’t understand. So drop the smug pseudo-intellectual rhetoric.

                No one is buying it. And the evidence lies in the ratios. You’re all being downvoted into dust on a platform that supposedly support your ideology.

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                  I’m sorry. Somehow sending billions of dollars and 2000 pound bombs to a country that is actively engaged in genocide doesn’t send the message that you’re against genocide. When Kamala loses because she refused to say she’d stop funding genocide, then you’ll blame everyone but the genocide supporter.

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                    Cool. Your boy Trump will do FAR worse. But that’s the plan, isn’t it?

                    I’ll be so glad when you all vanish in November.

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      Trump admits he’s a shit bag, Harris pretends she’s not.

      Hope whatever shareblue is calling itself these days finally stops getting funded when Harris loses.

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        Trump admits nothing, he just lies and lies and lies and lies and deflects and denies and projects and acuses. What planet are you on that you don’t know this? He’s one of the least humble or self aware men on the whole planet.

        “Trump admits he’s a shitbag” is just another big fat lie.

        YOU admit he’s blatantly a shit bag and then turn right stone and bOtH SideS the whole thing.

        There’s literally nothing honest about Trump. He’s an honesty free zone with an ago the size of a continent, the self awareness of an amoeba and the loyalty of a cosmic ray.

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            Because you instead want the worse genocidal racist lying hating minority-bashing blasphemous insurrectionist country-betraying grifter “best king of israel” infantile senile nasty idiot to win. Got it. Two choices: the sane one and the constitution wrecker. You’ve made your choice. Stop pretending it’s because of Harris. It’s because you like his racist shit filled diapers.

            • ArxCyberwolf
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              Just fyi, you’re talking to a self-admitted troll. They’re not worth your time.

            • @basmati@lemmus.org
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              Nope, neither of them are getting my vote kiddo. Sorry. I know politics are scary this being your first election ever, but there are always more than two choices.

              • @davidagain@lemmy.world
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                You’re living in more-than-childish naive fake -reality cloud-cuckoo land if you really believe there are more than two choices for who will become president!

                • @basmati@lemmus.org
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                  I’m sorry this is your first election but your anti democratic right wing nonsense isn’t reality.

                  • @davidagain@lemmy.world
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                    You think someone else than trump or Kamala might become president and you’re claiming I lack reality? That’s bold.