Like, goading someone into performing a criminal act or, on flip side, the other party thinking they’re in the clear because of consent that can’t lawfully be given?

For an extreme ethics case study, there is a German man currently serving lifetime imprisonment for murdering and cannibalising a voluntary victim in 2001. (NSFW, of course) The two had discussed their plans through email for a month in advance, and the perpetrator had let two prior partners back out when they retracted their consent to be slaughtered. As listed in the article, this case had a large cultural legacy.

I’ve had sexual partners ask me to perform painful or very dominant acts on them. Nothing that would risk serious injury, and anything around the neck is a non-negotiable limit for me (no safe way to strangle), but yeah, people aren’t all the same and some people request things things you and I would consider unenjoyable and disturbing.

Someone mentioned erotic asphyxiation, but since most people aren’t just suffocating themselves outside of sex and they’re learning this through pornography or word-of-mouth, I suspect it’s more about the concepts of control and strength, and of animalistic primal desire. Both giving and receiving, some people find comfort and security in the feeling of someone having control over them.

0. I don’t think that’s what the statement means. I believe it’s saying the sites they surveyed each have between 35 and 45%. A “bad” site would be closer to 45% and a “better” site closer to 35%.

1. Even if it were talking about a mean (average), it would take far more than a single site out of hundreds, let alone millions, to offset the average that far. The mean of [ 0 , 2 , 0 , 5 , 3 , 12 , 3 , 8 , 10, 4 , 7 , 4 , 5 , 3, 99 ] (one extreme out of fifteen) is only 11, not up in the 30s

Breaking those contracts would massively hurt our economy

Staying in them is massively hurting our economy too. Surely breaking them sooner than later is better in the long run.

To clarify, is this talking about winning entire state gov elections? As in, in the future, ON wins QLD? I look at the long-term damage done by someone like Bjelke-Petersen.

A couple of seats gives them power but can backfire. Giving them a government allows for serious political corruption and more ability to maintain their power.

If this ABC podcast episode backed up that comment with some analysis, I’d like to give it a quick listen. Was it just recent?

It’s a pretty tough 2PP in this seat. Georgia Tree and Luke Herdegen, from what I’ve seen already, are both disgusting people who should not be given that level of political power.

re: Georgia Tree (and maybe someone have a better overview): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA5lonT0WfI

Hard disagree from me. Their candidates are already imploding and that isn’t stopping them, what will change if they win more seats? I don’t want to let ON’s benefactors capture government just to hope their voters decide to wake up.

It’s important to emphasise that we won’t have the commercial mass media or mainstream social media on our side for this battle.

On one hand, because he lives on a luxury compound (when not in prison): https://www.theage.com.au/national/rich-mates-secret-mansions-australia-s-millionaire-nazis-revealed-20260428-p5zrm6.html

On the other, he has been punched by a bystander at a midnight flash mob march, and had a can of soup hit him in the balls.

Yes. Absolutely. They’re exploiting people they don’t care about. There’s no other reason they’d have Alexander Gabriel Mare in their NSW Parliament House flash mob photo op, or the absolutely trainwreck of Stefan Eracleous, or a major financial backer formerly involved in gay pornography. They do not have integrity.

As someone who used to commute around 90-120 minutes total each work day, the sarcasm just grazed my cheek.

I don’t care for bragging about suffering, unless you’re fighting back. If you are, I’d love to know more.

On one hand, you have a good point. Even cookers often disavow neo-Nazi nutters. We even saw some rejection of them in the previous March for Australia rallies they organised[@ 6:32] (reminder: join your local counterprotest this week!). That said, I do think this reply is oversimplifying them and perhaps trivialising their potential for influence as crises intensify.

There are all kinds of vulnerable groups, not just the ones that come to mind when we say “minorities”. Neo-Nazis tend to prey on the disaffected, and that could be as normal as low-income/poverty, social alienation, lack of a sense of community or purpose, and other common situations in our current society. And yes, it’s completely illogical to think neo-Nazi groups can solve that, but to dismiss that as being moronic plays down the effects of vulnerability on the mind. I don’t look at old lonely people falling for romance scams and dismiss them as morons, even if it’s obviously a scam to me.

The mainstream media and the most well-funded alternative medias are filled with either undeveloped (and therefore vulnerable to attack) and/or hateful ideology. Everyday people are primed to be susceptible to right-wing propaganda. So I’m really not surprised at the reach ON and other groups have had, despite them being so clearly incompetent, harmful and unable to solve our major issues.

Related: June 2024

https://archive.ph/AwTdo (paywalled version: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/ndis-screening-in-question-following-workers-ties-to-neonazi-group/news-story/733b95377972b8ae2b456dd38927717c)

A simple Google search would have revealed Stuart von Moger’s links with white supremacists and neo-Nazi groups, but he still passed an NDIS screening check allowing him to work with vulnerable people.

The company that employed him following clearance by the Worker Screening Unit said it only discovered the former army reservist’s ties to people with extremist views after some of his comments – including only wanting to work with young males – raised red flags.

It said in the past the National Socialist Network had groomed many young neurodivergent men into extremism and some of these young men had become the organisation’s “most active and rabid members”.

These groups specifically focus on recruiting vulnerable young people. It’s a strategy.

And also, I’ve had to wait for a teller just to divide into smaller notes for exact change, much quicker and more respectful, especially in businesses which aren’t retail

I carry it, and apart from a couple of specific, non-essential places, I’ve never been denied when using it. Businesses are often happy to have it.

One place I visit only accepts cash and has an ATM inside their store. Another (cafe) is like 5% off for cash (not much given the scale but adds up) so I bring exact change.

If they have publicly verifiable evidence for their assertions, they can point us to that. They didn’t.

If we assume Lutze ended their life, I don’t know what publicly verifiable evidence there would be for anyone to point at. The NSN is a secretive cult outside of their media stunts, and they’re obviously not going to brag about this.

If they have publicly verifiable reporting that makes those assertions, they can point us to that. They didn’t.

If we assume Lutze ended their life, antifascists are the only likely group with potential access to that information who would be inclined to report on it. Undercover state agents wouldn’t. Family members of someone this high up the chain wouldn’t. Rival groups, perhaps, but I don’t see any who would.

My point is; what publicly-verifiable evidence do you expect to be available?

If you take this hyperskeptical approach, can you trust anything beyond your own senses? What makes, say, the government or the ABC or any other news any more trustworthy - keeping in mind that antifascists are SMEs on fascist groups like the NSN, with some like White Rose Society being considered experts by institutions such as the ABC.

That’s exactly the kind of conspiratorial red-yarn kookery that the NSN engages in.

No, it’s not at all equivalent.

In fact, this isn’t conspiratorial at all - speculative at worst case (and based on their access to information, I personally trust that they aren’t speculating) but there’s no alleged conspiracy here. Cui bono?

yet couldn’t bring themselves to link to a reliable source for the fact.

I consider RB161 to be reliable for this topic. What source (that you’d consider reliable) would discover and report on it? ABC News didn’t report on the previous NSN suicide, I don’t expect mainstream media to report it.

I completely understand why you’re skeptical, and that’s a healthy approach to have, especially if you aren’t already familiar with these antifascist alert channels. You’re correct to not take their word alone as fact.

There is some observable evidence supporting the claim, like their Telegram uncharacteristically stopped posting about a week ago. But ultimately there isn’t a transparent or mainstream source given, perhaps to avoid the risk of exposing a leak, maybe because it’s difficult to prove a negative, or simply they didn’t feel the need to prove it to their audience. Most antifascist groups value the importance of giving consistently accurate information, to build and maintain a reliable reputation and avoid harmful mistakes (false doxes, for example, could lead to innocent people being harassed), so that’s one reason I value this feed more than just any old online site.

Sure, and that’s only one of the many necessary parts of solving this problem.

Bumping this. As fun as the snarky junkposts are, this is an actual, authoritative answer.

Since OP is asking what’s “allowed”, they’re probably asking what the Government’s laws or guidelines are. Here is a more detailed guide, which answers more of OP’s questions: https://www.pmc.gov.au/honours-and-symbols/australian-national-symbols/australian-national-flag/australian-national-flag-protocols @animemann80@feddit.online

Fun fact, the vertically-inverted flag (“upside-down”) is not a recognised symbol in Australia. It’s a US-culture import, and it makes it easy to spot possible brainworms from the US circus. “Do not fly the flag upside down, even as a signal of distress.”

Alright, now where do we put the boring happy people who have explored enough and just want one that works out of the box?