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  • i’m sure there are good comrades in Red Star but i just don’t really see the vision of “build a party out of the disjointed non-party.” i would get it if DSA were a genuine mass org, like idk a large labor union or network of labor unions or an established-but-not-exclusively-ML mass labor party, but it’s not. it’s basically one small niche organization among a few in a super nascent proto-left. bigger than the others, sure, but if you cut out the (majority) paper members not all that dramatically so.

    and the problem that the american left has of having a predominantly downwardly-mobile-labor-aristocrat character (not casting moral judgment just analyzing the playing field) is if anything more acute in DSA than a lot of other orgs, which further undercuts its status as any kind of mass organ of working class power that a Party can grow out of.




  • okay this conversation has come up a couple times across a few different threads recently so i want to outline with a lil bit more rigor my thinking on how historical materialism and metaphysical materialism are very much Not The Same Thing - they’re somewhat related but ultimately different conversations, built around very different lines of questioning that are trying to do very different things:

    nerd shit

    a metaphysical materialist who is also a historical materialist is saying: between two very different categories of material phenomena - category A) types of matter that are used as resources by human beings & the mass social structures built around that, vs. category B) internally felt beliefs in the emergent phenomenon known as consciousness (which is the result of a bajillion endlessly complex chemical reactions), particularly in individual humans who are deemed Great Men - A makes far more sense as the prime driver through which to analyze history (i.e. it has greater predictive power and coheres better with many common sense presumptions people use to navigate reality).

    a metaphysical idealist who is also a historical materialist is saying: between two very different categories of Qualia (basically conscious experience, the Metaphysical Stuff of Thinking and Feeling) - category A) qualia/experiences that are perceived as external resources used by human beings & the mass social structures built around that, vs. category B) qualia that are experienced as the internally felt beliefs of individuals (particularly those deemed Great Men) - A makes far more sense as the prime driver through which to analyze history (i.e. has greater predictive power and coheres better with many common sense presumptions people use to navigate reality).

    obviously no one talks like this in common speech because it’s incredibly cumbersome so we shorthand, but both of these positions are coherent. it’s also worth noting that Marxism doesn’t reject the existence or relevance of category B, either (the ideas of human beings = the superstructure, material conditions = the base), just that the superstructure is produced by and less influential than the base (though it still shapes the base in a feedback loop).

    i do think religious marxists run into a bit more genuine contradiction that is harder to parse - at least if they believe in the omnibenevolent model of god of the Abrahamic religions - but i’m very much not formally religious, don’t believe in that conception of god for a number of reasons, and don’t want to oversimplify these belief systems that i have so little knowledge of so i will stop here. (i also didn’t touch on mind-body dualism because i’m not at all versed in modern arguments for it and personally find it less convincing than the other two frameworks, but i suspect you could make it work more or less coherently w/ historical materialism.)





  • does historical materialism actually assert anything about the ultimate metaphysical nature of reality though? i’d argue no. it just asserts itself as the most useful/coherent model for analyzing history under a certain set of common sense presuppositions.

    like i think there’s an ambient belief in metaphysical materialism in Marx and Lenin’s work, sure, but i don’t think it really depends on any metaphysical belief to operate. you can be a religious dualist or a metaphysical idealist or whatever, and not think history is most predominately driven by great men and internally manifested first principles. (there’s probably a more vigorous philosophical way of expressing this argument i’m too lazy to express rn in a shitpost)