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Spez: this will blow over Also spez: this cannot be allowed to continue
Schrödinger’s Protesters.
First rule of propaganda: the enemy is both terrifying and weak.
Okay if you want to talk like that make Reddit a CO-OP or shut up.
How can this guybhave such a persecution fethish when he litterally holds all the cards.
Ah, so the blackout isn’t as “unsuccessful” as he wants people to believe it to be…
Yeah, really. Didn’t the actual blackout technically end a few days ago? Seems that it didn’t just go away.
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Over 50% isn’t too bad at this point in the game. We’ll see if it drops lower over/after the weekend, but that is still a significant portion of subreddits, which are the only thing that generates content for reddit. I don’t this this will actually do anything, and I am done with reddit now. I never felt attached to it, and I have found active communities on lemmy for most of my subs, and the community is way better here. I don’t need reddit anymore.
Plus the top dozen subs only make up like a few percentage points of the ones that pledged to blackout. So if those are still out then it’s still crippling. Like pics, funny, videos, etc
Pics and gifs is just doing sexy John Oliver posts only now. It was decided via community vote.
So now if he wants to change something he is clearly going against the community.
That’s when you’ll see a huge exodus again
I mean, there had been news about reddit forcibly removing mods and making private subreddits go public again, so I don’t know how many of the subs actually left the protest.
Some just opened to ask the users if they should close again, too.
What users? I have not been on Reddit at all this week.
Other than going on to see how empty My feed is due to the blackout.
If any Reddit mods see this. I vote in favor of total Black with a message redirecting users to a new lemmy commmunity.
The lemmy iOS apps may still be in early beta, but they are better than the official Reddit app.
Right. I don’t think spez realizes that most of the blacked out communities themselves actually support the black outs. A lot of them had votes on the matter. They had healthy discussion about it. These mods are not overruling their communities.
Maybe it’s more than a lot of noise
What if the mods were all like. Let’s just say it’s 48 hours…
If you’re a politician or a business owner, you are accountable to your constituents. So a politician needs to be elected, and a business owner can be fired by its shareholders
This comparison is so stupid; is spez gonna send me an ID or something? Will I need to hand Reddit my birth certificate or anything in order to keep using it and sign a contract with them or something? Where is that contract gonna be registered?
Anyone would be able to look for any place where there is a vote, then join the community, vote whatever they want and then casually walk away. Or you could follow all subreddits or a bunch of them that you want to influence (say any pro-ukrainian ones). Then you’d cast a vote to whoever you’d like and walk away.
It’s so ridiculous!
Not for nothing, but a key feature of fascism is that you’re “enemy” is both weak and strong at the same time.
So the blackout is not a big deal AND the mods coordinating the blackout are too powerful…
ACAB - All CEOs Are Bastards
Meh. “Fascism”? That tactic is used in politics all the time against most prominent leaders and groups, no matter where they come from. They’re both inept and totally powerful and Machiavellian.
It’s the whole thing about “will bear them with humor and ridicule” but also “look at their evil actions”.
A fascist tactic that is used in politics all the time.
My point is that I don’t know what’s specifically “fascist” about it if virtually everyone uses it.
“Fascist” is an adjective. Like “green.”
A bad example: l don’t know what’s specifically green about it if virtually all plants look that way.
Everyone is using a fascist tactic. It doesn’t become a benevolent tactic because everyone uses it. It’s still fascist.
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I really wish users, who are the only ones that bring real value to a site like Reddit, could vote out the CEO. I guess we are voting with our feet, but it’s a shame that we have to go through this stupid lather/rinse/repeat cycle with every user contribution site.
well maybe not - if we move to not-for-profit platforms, there’s no enshittification cycle.
Just mods having unchecked power. But the good thing is we can transfer to another instance if that happens.
reddit is the means of production, but all of the value produced comes from the users, who are unremunerated
If we all buy stock during their IPO, we could vote him out…
Driving up his share price and his wealth. This is what he wants, it’s his exit strategy. He clearly doesn’t care if reddit burns at this point.
We’d have to coordinate with WSB, and folks would lose money in this strategy, but those smooth brains with the diamond hands are good for it. As soon as the IPO happens, immediately buy all the shares available. Then do nothing. Volume needs to grind to a halt. Then at a predetermined time, a day later, a week, everyone dumps all their shares. Another huge spike in volume, but this time in a sell off. It will pop circuit breakers, and even those not part of the plan will join in. The price will plummet and Steve will be left holding the bag, trying to show that he has diamond hands.
Yeah let’s see how that works out… Not like the communities literally voted… Nah…
@AllonzeeLV im so fucking sad about losing Apollo…
And I don’t see a single thing about it on r/all. Or anything related to the blackouts.
So what will happen is that mods who enforce unpopular rules in a subreddit, such as “no NSFW”, will get voted out. This can’t possibly go wrong. /s
A lot people here have been saying similar stuff. Dedicated mods being replaced by scabs isn’t gonna do any good for those communities…but maybe their degradation is a good thing.
Unless there is some kind of cooldown time (but even then), mods will constantly change…
Group A votes Mod B off and places Mod A there. Group B doesn’t like that and votes Mod A off and places Mod B (or a similar) back.
The longer that goes on, the more users (and even Mods) will get annoyed and leave that sub. There will probably the be originalsub, splitsubA, splitsubB. All of these subs will be weaker than the originalsub was before.
So basically the same what we see in current politics. Instead of finding a solution together, it just creates larger gaps between the members.
It feels less like democracy but more like temporary dictatorship that oscillates between opinions.
A better solution would be to have multiple mods with different opinions finding consensus together. But that’s easier said than done…
blowing up their site expected with people being friends with elon musk
Damn it. I already made my Revenge of The Sith Emperor’s speech joke on another post… oh well. I don’t have much of a snarky comment to make, this depressing and frustrating situation really speaks for itself, doesn’t it?
I’ve seen some here openly despair that leaving reddit didn’t do anything.
Spez, CEO of Reddit and former mod of the r/jailbait subreddit losing his shit very publically for days proves otherwise.
…And it’s also a reminder that the reddit community we loved has already been destroyed by ownership, anyone returning would be returning to a shadow that disdains its own users and works to disempower them with every update. They’re even undeleting user’s deleted posts. If they can’t respect users enough to be able to delete their own content, why enrich them?
I’m sure restoring deleted data will go over really well in Europe.
Already sent my GDPR request for my data and complete data deletion. In a few month, I will just have to look for my posts and comments, kindly provided by reddit, and denounce/sue them if they didn’t comply. That should sit well with investors ;-)
Where do you request GDPR data deletion to them? Did the data request already, still waiting, but haven’t found anything about deletion yet
They were playing dumb when I asked, but it only needs to be in the initial email or comments on the form
Yes, but I only know of the form to request data, not of one to delete it, where did you send the request?
Even if the protest fails to produce capitulation from Reddit, it still effectively drove a fuckton of traffic into the Fediverse, which is a goal worth pursuing in itself. If corporations won’t comply, then building workable alternatives is option 2.
In view of comments about restoration of deleted data, I had a look at the user agreement for NON EEU and it says "When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit. You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content. tldr; they do not have to honor content deletion in the US. But I feel better that I deleted it, maybe it will be a little bit of pain to restore it. I will go back occasionally and re-delete if neeeded.
it took them less then a week to go from “were a community” to “shut up and do as your told”. fuck that and them. whether kbin or lemmy works out only the future knows so far but im done with reddit.
Reminds me of leaving my ex. Went from “baby I love you, don’t leave 🥺” to “fuck you, you’re nothing without me, you’re a crazy bitch” in the span of minutes.
Lol, this encapsulates it so well. But I am also out of that “community” now. Still debating whether to delete my account.
Holy shit was he seriously a mod of that subreddit? Good lord…
Back in the olden days of reddit, mods didn’t need to accept their position. So, it was a troll tactic to promote people to moderator of a controversial sub and then take a screenshot. I have no knowledge of spez’s moderating history, but I imagine this is the most likely scenario.
If I let a bunch of crackheads live in my house and endlessly defended their presence until I was forced by public pressure to reluctantly send them away the shit they got up to in the interim was at least partially my fault in my opinion.
That may be what happened but Reddit management definitely knew about what was going on because they created a special “Pimp Daddy” trophy just for that one mod as a kind of public reward for his work. Reddit was complicit to some degree.
He still was the mod there… Thats enough to make a fuss about it against him :)
Oh wow, that’s one of those quirks that in hindsight feels like a major oversight lol
It was hilarious the first couple times it came up - but it absolutely was a massive oversight, especially in light of how wild-west the subreddit space was in that same era.
The real crime was how he didn’t do anything about it once he knew about it. Same with many other questionable subs, perhaps he enjoyed them or maybe he didn’t, but he sure tolerated them being around polluting the waters. They brought in traffic, aka money, and that’s all he cares about.
Maybe. On the other hand, Reddit wouldn’t be the first major social media platform that got its start focusing on sexualization and sexual harassment if he was…
he participated pretty heavily in the sub either way.
losing his shit very publically for days
Which is weird because … I thought Pity City already had a CEO.
Was he really a mod of r/jailbait?
Man, what a pathetic creep. Fuck u/spez.
Such a laugh and after putting in arbitray rules himself. If he is such a democratic guy maybe he and the board shoud be able to be voted out by the membership too.
