As r/selfhosted seems to have shutdown due to the reddit api changes (rip), I wanted to see if anyone has worked with these services before?
How do they compare to Discord and how hard is it to maintain, as the setup looks pretty in depth for matrix and synapse. How did you convince your user base to use it over Discord.
I’ve hosted TS3 for about 8 years and are looking for alternatives, as we have to use Discord for screen sharing.
Thanks!
I do. I’ve been hosting it for 3 years now. I have seen them add new features rapidly, and it’s pretty exciting, things can (rarely) break sometimes (cause you didn’t read the upgrade notes before upgrading).
They had something called communities, which they scrapped for Spaces. Spaces are more akin to a server on Discord for the most part. I don’t use Discord too much, so there could be some features missing that I have not noticed.
I didn’t intend to bring them to me, I intended to go to them using bridges. If you have a Discord server, investigate how to bridge to that discord server (either personally via double puppeting bridges or maintain a complete copy of the server using relay bridges). This way over time you can bring people over to your matrix instance cause these companies do mess up (at this point its not will its when). Similar with signal, googlechat etc.
It is fun and fairly easy.
Matrix has one caveat: it synchronizes every room (group chat) from another instance to your instance fully- which one user subscribed to on your instance. Because of this the instance-systems/servers are under heavy load for private userage (not controllable number of users and chats). Many governmental institutions (controllable number of users and chats) use though, because in case of “disasters/incidents” the data is not lost but saved all over all replicas.
So if I only run one Matrix/Synapse instance for my private group, does any of the matrix decentalized technology effect me? I would only have one instance, and my users will probably only be connected to my instance. Though if I’m understanding correctly, it sounds like if I subscribed to another instance, all of the chat communication on that entire instance is copied to my server as well? Does this include files? Sounds like it would use a lot of extra disk space.
As a protective measure, you could block your local synapse server from federating with matrix.org and that should keep anybody from joining any of the giant rooms on the largest matrix server.
It would replicate this one specific group/chat only - from the moment of subscription. Depending on the load it can get heavy on your instance.
Do you know if this happens the other way around? A user chats with a different server and that chat is synced to my server. Can I use federation without allowing others to join mine outside my group? Because otherwise, it sounds like my server’s data will be copied to a different server.
Sort of. I host a Matrix Synapse server for about 15 friends. Some of them use rooms on the big Matrix.org server as well, some bridge to Discord and Facebook, and some chat with other smaller groups. By default, Synapse won’t sync rooms you haven’t joined. It also won’t copy files - it’ll fetch those I believe (although maybe it’ll keep a few days worth of files around?).
After about 5 years of hosting it, we’re sitting at 90GB total disc space used, of which ~70GB is the database. You can compress the database and save lots of disc space (50%+) but I haven’t gotten around to that yet.
I see why they recommend not using SQLite lol.
I run ejabberd for myself and my family/friend and use conversations on android. Mattermost I would say is the most like discord. I run one of those as well and love it.
I think ejabberd or another other xmpp server would have been my first choice for a service like this by a long shot. If only we had some good iOS clients to go to. While I’m on android, most of the family and some of the friends use iOS, so it was kind of a non-starter from that alone.
Edit: log -> long
Yeah unfortunately iOS is very stingy with battery. Thankfully there’s a few apps that use apples push and ejabberd supports it. I haven’t tested them in a while tho since I’m on android.
Mattermost is great and I’m pretty sure they have an iOS app. I don’t believe the messages are encrypted on MM, but if you’re running the infra it’s not too big of a deal IMHO.
Prosody here in addition to Matrix. :)
Yes. Never used it, but they all do the same thing.
I’m running a mumble and a conduit server currently, and I’m not planning to ever touch shitcord again ^^
There was a post recently about this. It was called revolt
Yeah, revolt looks nice and is clearly trying to be a drop in replacement for discord, so that will make adoption easier.
However it doesn’t seem ready yet. The client notes that their voice chat feature is in the middle of being re-written from scratch. The legacy voice chat just doesn’t work for me (on Linux). Discord isn’t great on Linux, but it’s more usable that revolt right now.
Also, for better or worse, it’s not actually federated, it’s just open source. So there is a central revolt server that new users automatically use, and if you want to operate elsewhere, as far as I can tell, you effectively modify the client to reference a different server.
For Matrix, I’d recommend
conduitoversynapse, with the expectation that all of synapse’s features haven’t yet been added (most notably support for spaces, which may or may not be a dealbreaker).It’s incredibly easy to set-up and very lightweight. I never self-hosted synapse due to how resource-heavy it is, and constantly had issues with
dendriteracking up resources as well.conduithas honestly been the easiest thing I’ve self-hosted.What front-end are you running with conduit? I just spent two hours trying to get element to talk to it but i’ve put it off due to so much failure with it.
There’s a couple I use: element (desktop & mobile), gomuks, nheko, and fluffychat.
I’m assuming you followed the deploy walkthrough? That should work pretty well on its own, but there might be some weird networking issues you could be having. First try running conduit once set up in the foreground to make sure it starts without issue, then try the health check listed in the instructions:
$ curl https://your.server.name/_matrix/client/versions # If using port 8448 $ curl https://your.server.name:8448/_matrix/client/versionsIf it fails here, I’d recommend stopping by their matrix room with another account. The room is active and helpful; I greatly appreciated the help I got in setting up my homeserver with a subdomain + pretty homeserver name i.e. without the subdomain. As conduit is still early in development it’d probably be good to have a backup account on matrix.org or another smaller homeserver (preferably the latter given how overloaded the former is).
It’s not too bad. I host for me and my wife with a few bridges and synapse and postgres together use less than 500MB of RAM. That is not too bad.
Mumble in combination with XMPP is the most hassle free and low resource option. Just for small personal use snikket.org XMPP is probably the best.
Matrix Synapse also works, but if you join any large rooms it will blow up ram and storage space usage, thus I can’t really recommend it.
I have two synapse servers and jitsi instance with 3 bridges. Works fine for home and Corp usage.
Not sure if they do screen sharing but I’ve seen some buzz around ‘revolt’ recently which is self-hostable.
I have been successfully hosting a Matrix instance (Synapse) for a few friends since January. Definitely a learning process but I have to say the docs are excellent. Reverse proxy and federation was a little bit tricky but has been working fine. I’ve also since migrated from a bare metal setup to a containerized one with very little hassle beyond understanding the basics of migrating the database, etc.
There is Spacebar (formerly Fosscord) aiming to be a drop-in discord-compatible replacement. I’m not sure how usuable it is yet, since I haven’t gotten around to try it, but it does look like a promising solution imo.
There’s also revolt.chat which can be self hosted: https://github.com/revoltchat/self-hosted
I self-host a Synapse (Matrix) server on a VPS and it’s been working great for well over a year now. I do so via Docker and it seems very stable.
I use Matrix too. I’ve hosted my own Synapse instance for almost a year now. It works great. Easy to maintain and upgrade.
Yeah, I’m hosting a Synapse instance; have been for a few years now. The biggest complication was the reverse proxy set-up, because I didn’t want matrix in my handle. 😁 But they’ve got great docs around that (and more) these days; and there’s a good community in the Synapse Admins room too.
I am running one as well, also have some bridges between protocols, Discord bridge being among them.
To maintain it is not very hard, appart one thing - database is blowing up constantly and it is a battle to keep it contained.
How big does your database get to?
more than 150GB in few years and growing. to at least reduce some size - there is a need of downtime, so that always goes well :D
