Not going back to Reddit ever, too much bs.
I have no intention of unsubscribing from Reddit. The recent move that company has taken has made me hostile to them as a platform. I am far more probable to engage over here and just lurk over there when I need to find the answer to something. To the extent that I can I want to help the Fediverse takeoff and replace Reddit and twitter.
Maybe all of those in favor of the protests kept their word and only those who are against it remain?
I just promised that I won’t use reddit on my phone after the 30.6.2023
I don’t miss Reddit. I checked some comment sections and holy hell is it toxic compared to here. I think part of that is because of what you’ve mentioned in your comment.
I used to work for this major company, biggest in my country by far.
Whether it was going well or poorly, they tended to offer severance packages to “cut back” on their staff, to appease the grotesquely overpaid consultants that analysed their finances.
What tended to happen, was that the most qualified people, who had no issues finding another job (often better paying), took those packages (I took home a one year salary after having worked there almost three, then had two months vacation and started a better paying job), which left those who didn’t really have other options, those who did the bare minimum and had a lot of useless meetings.
I guess that’s what reddit is heading for. They are alienating those who contribute the most, the content creators, the mods and the ones who like to engage others. They will be left with their bots, lurkers, racists, reposters and porn-spammers.
Good riddance.
Completely agree. I’m kinda hoping the substance of reddit just moves to lemmy and none of us will have to deal with so many tools and trolls.
The trash will still escape Reddit. As evidenced by my being here :)
Aww, but you’re a loveable trash, just like us. 🥰
The very minor and surmountable technical barrier of joining the fediverse will do wonders to screen out users capable only of the lowest effort.
It’s really nice to have this “filter” of a complexity because many people who do that low effort stuff don’t want to put effort in even trying to learn a new system (geschweige denn) one of the complexity of the fediverse. If you are ready to go through the process of undertsanding the system you are most likely a valuable part of the community
This comment made me feel better about joining even though I’m slightly confused by it. Knowing that there is a barrier for everyone and that my willingness to learn is a sign of my value being here makes me feel more confident
Good for you! I recently changed jobs to a more stable position after asking for years to be put on full time staff at my old one. Once they filled a position with an outside hire instead of bringing me on full time, I knew it was the end of the road. Now I get paid almost twice as much plus amazing benefits to do about half the work.
I also think the Advertising subs don’t care much. You know the ones that are content rich from the posters but actually modded by the organisation the sub is for.
For example /r/razer mods being linked to taking bribes and specific subs dedicated to a brand.
They have nice communities but they’ll stay.
Ever tried having a discussion in any of the default subs? If your opinion differentiates from the hivemind you will be downvoted as spam, without any responses. It completely defeats the purpose of a “discussion”
I don’t see his it won’t happen here. The vote structure is very similar.
Yeah that is true, but it wasn’t as bad on reddit back in the day (as far as I remember), it seems to have happened after reddit went super-mainstream a few years ago. So I am hoping lemmy will be like that until it “potentially” becomes super popular lol
What if Lemmy becomes so successful and then it gets acquired by Reddit? Lol.
Think of the big corps like Google, Facebook, etc. buying the competitors for their products.
Then you can move to another instance or host your own. They can’t buy them all up.
Lmfao, imagine some corpo trying to buy up all the instances one by one while the users all migrate out of the instance immediately when that happens. That would be hilarious.
The federated decentralized nature of Lemmy and it being open-source means that when this happens the users laugh at whoever paid for an instance and celebrate whoever got the bag and all migrate to a new instance.
See AdBlock -> AdBlock + -> Ublock -> Unlock Origin for a story of idiot capitalists donating massive sums of money only to buy a product that is quite literally drop-in replaceable by design… and Lemmy makes this process even easier than that.
Not getting negative Karma helps I think.
I miss my smaller and niche subs. I don’t think I’ve waded into the default subs in a very long time.
Oh well, to everything there is a season, right?
holy hell is it toxic compared to here
I cannot agree more! I went to reddit (wirhour an acc) and just… wow. Did it got worse or was I always blind to how awful that place was?
I think you are seeing some withdrawal symptoms honestly. People are addicted to scrolling for their next dopamine hit. When that’s taken away they get cranky. Add the anonymous nature of being online and things get toxic real fast.
I think you are exacly right.
Cranky
is the best word to describe it and your explanation as to the reasons sounds reasonable. I believe that people will also get more frustrated when they notice less quality posts and comments…
I was IP banned from Reddit so I only got to use it without an account for the last few months. It’s very toxic. The front page (not logged in) is so fucked.
I don’t miss Reddit.
How’d you manage to get IP banned??
Oddly enough, the same thing happened to my partner. She logged out one day, and then she suddenly could never log in ageing on that acct. Then, she could not log in to a new acct more than twice before it got removed. She tried 4 it 5. Her only comment was saying that she loved the colour of something.
We are stayng away from reddit now lol
Damn, i want that too
I miss Apollo. Turns out Reddit itself was highly replaceable.
Memmy is pretty close, and directly inspired by Apollo.
It’s still very very early but there’s a lot of the same gesture features that Apollo had.
Ouh nice, I’m definitely gonna check that out. Right now I’ve replaced my reddit phone time with hackernews (and the HACK app), but long term I’d love to switch to lemmy instead.
Could not agree more with you. This has been a very positive experience and has really add transitioning away from Reddit a smooth experience
I’ll be real. I miss it for very specific subs. It’s definitely more toxic but small game subs and stuff like that I miss
Poke back and encourage mod teams to move here.
That’s not a bad idea
It’s getting really bad. I’m noticing there being a lot of comments in subs where there barely were any and any mention of the blackout and what might happen after the 30th is met by tons of downvotes and removal. Tinfoil hat but it feels like there are bots making these bad faith comments.
Considering Spez once edited another user’s comments, I would not put that tinfoil hat theory past him.
I think this might actually be the case. Let’s see how things work out. Lemmy surprised me as a proper alternative it’s just not as content rich as reddit at the moment. Something about chickens and eggs.
Let’s just expand and improve it further than the original lemmies did. Don’t be afraid to post content, heck scrape content and make this the better option. People will follow content.
I’d like to add that there’s already been a significant increase in the amount of content and comments in just the last few days. I joined a whole 5 days ago (so many ages ago, I know) and back then it was somewhere between 1 and 2k users on this instance. It was way emptier - you could read all of the posts in most of the “big” communities in an hour or so. And the new feed was pretty stale.
Lemmy’s not the firehose of content that is Reddit yet, but it’s making real progress.
Like I normally don’t post, but I’ve started even making root posts in different groups.
I just switched over to lemmy from reddit, and it is much nicer here isn’t riddled with ads and toxicity. I just hope that more users do join over here, since there were a few subreddits/people I followed and would still like to see there updates/posts
Might have to create some of those subs yourself. But yeah, getting the userbase up might be a struggle for a bit.
There’s something to that. Hearing stories of subreddits reopen and ask the userbase what they want to do, well, who exactly are they asking? I’m not there, and I’ve seen plenty of posts from others who are also not there. Are they taking silence as votes against? I doubt it.
I’m going to go back to reddit for a bit, but only to encourage mod teams to setup shop here.
and you know what? I am happier to be around people that keep their word.
Literally. The people in favor of the protests are… Protesting! Everybody else doesn’t care.
As hopeful as that take may sound, it is just not something that I can observe as true.
This post is evaluating the next steps for the protest and currently sits at 800 comments. Of those, the majority, be it a vocal minority or not, is heavily against the continuation of the protest. They are vocally stating their mind that the protest harms the community, is an abuse of power, and more than simply not wanting it to continue, they want others to know that it shouldn’t have started at all. I find it disheartening to read, but honestly, it’s a gaming community, I kind of see it as expected, awful and immature people is the norm.
But, let’s assume that the people who do agree just left, then, right? The loudest are are always the angry people, and the content ones stay quiet. I can make that assumption and look around for them then.
Except, the local alternative here is completely deserted.Putting aside unverfiable places like Twitch, I go and prod other established websites. Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr, Discord, Steam, even /vg/… Everywhere dedicated to the game that I check, there’s no noticeable uptick of people. I can’t find people looking to actively talk the game except on other communities within reddit. /r/LearnDota2 and /r/TrueDota2 got more threads than usual. Those people making the comments are frustrated, but the ones that supposedly aren’t and are willing to browse around are just… Either still on Reddit, or completely Missing. They didn’t go to an alternative community and aren’t participating and building a new space. They’re just sitting and waiting for their existing space back.
I guess I’ll have to wait 2 days to find out if they actually just went out and touched some grass, or if the majority is spiteful of this move and everyone sees reddit as their one and only solution.
I honestly, genuinely think that a “No Moderation” protest would go down better than a “Blackout” one. Some people have no idea the impact the loss of the API will have on their lives and even actively suck reddit’s corporate dick defending them, saying it only costs 24 cents to have moderation bots working (ignoring the setup for those moderation apps, while in the same breath saying reddit costs money to run). They need to see what value they’re losing.
No moderation would get them immediately banned and replaced. It’s not a sustainable form of protest. It may lead to lower moderation levels in the short and medium term. But in the long term it means the permanent replacement and takeover of subreddits by admins and their puppets.
I seriously doubt reddit has that level of manpower or cronies to spare. The site is seriously not sustainable if they have to do the paid labor it would require to do all of this themselves.
Doubly so on weekends. Which would, conveniently, be when such a protest could start. The 1st of July is a Saturday. Imagine you being the guy being told “We need you to stay in the office on Saturday playing frontpage whack a mole against our entire userbase. There WILL be porn in there. So much porn.”
I think this is mostly what’s goin on. Also I’d be pretty surprised if reddit didn’t have it’s own astroturfing force that accounted for a chunk of this backlash.
I’m doing my part. I hope others do an exodus and not a hiatus.
I think there’s a lot of us who are fed up. Reddit was an important part of my life but I haven’t been back since the AMA and I don’t intend to.
There’s enough content here on lemmy to scratch my itch to scroll
Yeah it’s like 2% of Reddit, needs more adoption and to be more user friendly
For sure. I’m enjoying it, but reddit’s downfall really depends on how many divest from it and can join us here. I think it’ll be fine because people are coming and there will be guides to help folks navigate, but only time will tell
there will be no “downfall” and i think that attitude will make things harder for a place like this to thrive
it needs to be kinda its own thing. we need more than one place for this type of shit. Reddit is fine honestly. they are a business (maybe a shitty one) but thats the game
it just sucks that there isint another option, so when people started jumping ship i joined em.
i just dont want one mega corp to own the data on the internet as much as i can help it (which admittedly is not much) so this seemed like a real easy way to try
Downfall was definitely the wrong word to use. I want this to be impactful and make Reddit change course, but that can only happen if enough people leave.
ya i get it but i still think the better way to think about all this is that Reddit will probably not change anything, they probs wont loose that many users over this specific thing
but if the people that are here now, just stay here and contribute, that can only be a good thing
we need more spaces on the net. diversity and all that shit. its not good for the internet i want to exist to have only one front page. we need more
Build lemmy up in spite of what happens. I can dig that
I’m waiting for reddit to send me my personal data, so I can make my comments unuseable for anything, I guess they either are wise of it or there are a lot more requests than usual, but I’m done with reddit. And there is more and more big name sites i’m just… not wanting to interact with anymore.
Yeah same i just want to backup my stuff before getting rid of it all
That and I want to completely destroy my history so it hurts anyone using reddit for AI Training, just replace all my comments with markov chain nonsense
Yeah me too
This comment is incorrect as well.
The people that cared left and what’s left behind is people that wouldn’t leave anyway and the strike only bothers them.
This person is living in a bubble and can’t see further than their nose.
Survivorship bias!
Some subreddits I follow did a poll on whether they should open or not at the end of the 48 hours but the only people that voted were the people that came back to Reddit, obviously the people who actually stayed away for the 48 hours couldn’t vote
Absolutely agree.
I believe this was reddit’s intention at least in part. People who care were also those constantly exposing their anti-consumer practices and greedy policies. I’m inclined to believe the administration will be pretty glad, at least for a while, that those who get what’s happening are gone.
leopards ate my face?
Reposting something I wrote in another community I hang out in, but it feels appropriate to the topic:
I won’t pretend “Reddit is dying” or anything of the sort, but I have noticed something interesting (that is maybe something I should’ve noticed long, long ago), and that is that subreddits have an insane concentration of whiny entitled lurkers that seem to want content catered and spoonfed to them.
During this whole debacle, I’ve seen creators and enthusiasts that drive the traffic be perfectly content creating elsewhere because it was more about expressing their passion of a topic than cultivating some kind of audience. No matter the alternative they chose, they have plenty of outlets for their creation. But everyone else hates this. All of the bitching about blackouts that I’ve seen haven’t been “man I wanted to post cool shit” but more “where am I supposed to get cool stuff from?”.
In general, what I’ve seen is a slight decline in activity, but a sharp decline in quality. Comparatively, my experience in Lemmy thus far has been that people creating were fine moving elsewhere to do their thing, and while communities are still small, I’ve seen a lot more long-form, thoughtful and respectful discussion because everyone there was a creator and enthusiast about that topic. Looking at the profiles of people commenting, they’ve typically posted at least once in that community already.
Meanwhile on Reddit, since the blackout wore off on certain subs, I’ve seen a lot of this:
[In the original, here would be an image of a typical current comment thread in a blackout-related post, but the context of it is explained below anyway]
Where people who bitch about the blackout because “but I wanted to discuss x!!” are then invited to discuss exactly that, and the conversation goes something along the lines of
“I wanted to discuss x!”
“Oh cool, me too. I like x y z about it, though I preferred if x was like this instead, and maybe z could be polished a little more”
“Well, idk I like it”
“ok 👍”
or just
“i like this”
“i like this too 👍”
because they don’t actually have any proper formulated thoughts or opinions on the subject beyond surface-level observations, brand identity or attachment, or if they do have them, they don’t have the drive to create or lead conversations about it and just lurk waiting for said content and thoughts to be delivered for them.
Which makes the already bad state of egregious repost bots rising to the top because people keep upvoting the same topics over and over even worse.
In a way, I guess it’s kinda similar to what happened with 9gag when that hit critical mass.
To expand on this, I also find it interesting and perplexing just how far that entitlement goes. Moderators are on the verge of losing critical tools, and they’re essential in maintaining the quality of the discussions held. Creators create the topics of discussion, and are the main driving force in setting the baseline quality of said discussions, and as power users are more likely to be the ones to depend on third party apps to create the content people browse.
Both seem fine with the situation, and/or migration, and very understandably go “Hey we feel disrespected on this platform and are moving to x where we feel we can thrive better without external influences deriding our community” and lurkers, who contribute nothing and have the least barrier of entry because they essentially just need to change the url they search the same terms in, stomp their feet and cry “but I want you to discuss things for my entertainment HERE!!!” like two year olds.
Edited to add, here on Lemmy:
I’m hopeful that this situation will show moderators they can curate a dedicated community anywhere with similar (actually relevant) post flow and quality, but without enduring the abuse of the platform they host it in and a bunch of on-lookers. I really hope they don’t buckle in the name of “but we’re already established / have so many people / are such a good resource” because all these things can be true elsewhere without receiving death threats or mod mail spam for doing the right thing.
Not all lurkers are like that(not really disagreeing with you though) I would consider myself to be a lurker because i only occasionally comment and even more rarely.post. I rarely comment because i know my wording can be a bit weird so most people don’t get it at the first read and somtimes I’m not up for a discussion. I also rarely post because i don’t know if that specific thing is worth posting or i just don’t know how i think about the topic or something weird
For the most part, the people still commenting on big subs or r/all during the protests are people who are:
- Too addicted to content to ignore reddit for a few days.
- Not smart enough to find an alternative source of content.
These aren’t the brightest minds on the internet. Like you said - the decline in quantity has been minor, but quality has gone off a cliff.
i think #3 is lazy
im no big brain and i figured out enough to be here. its just laziness. the internet has become a place of big buttons and pictures. that spoonfeed me mentality has permeated everything
convivence is KING bby
I think there is a strong difference between people who were on reddit before and after 2016. People who joined after were already used to the official app and new website design, they don’t know anything else, so they tend not to care.
There are also a lot of lurkers and casual browsers, they also tend not to care.
The ones who do care a are very loud about it is mainly the old school hardcore members who did not have an official reddit app and who never got used to the new design
Yep, a majority of the users never saw old.reddit and are used to social media being a single post taking up a whole screen where just tap and move on. A super majority weren’t there for the digg exodus where many of the same issues that are happening now came to a head. Its a totally different group of people on reddit
Leading up to the blackout I had seen some alternatives suggested, joined Lemmy on Monday and have been very happy with the feel of this place
I’m honestly so disappointed. People arguing that this is all a “powertripping mods” thing. They can fuck off, and scared mods can too.
All of these subs should have been linking to a comparable Lemmy community instead of just saying they were protesting. The simple fact of the matter is that the lemmyverse is not mature enough of a platform to actually be a reddit replacement. It needs to get a lot of the kinks worked out and it needs a much better onboarding. Hopefully it can take these new users and steadily grow and while they grow they can fix these issues.
Yeah, but early adopters will weather the storm. Remember how shitty the Reddit servers used to be? Lemmy will continue to improve and more and more users will find a home here.
I’ve gotten death threats, Reddit cares message, and all kinds of hate mail for saying my sub should stay restricted. And I only have 167k people subbed. It’s intense
Do you think its brigading or do you think its a bunch of the vocal users from your reddit
I mean it could be either but I’m thinking it’s more vocal users. I did check a few of the messages out and the extra mean ones appear to just be trolls in general judging by the comments.
You can report the malicious reddit cares message and get the reporting user banned.
I did report it. I’m not sure sure if I’ll hear back or not
Or maybe /u/spez is manually changing vote counts, as he did before when modifying user comments without saying so.
we have had the first wave - and its gone well. second wave is incomming on or about the 30th - probably smaller, but no less committed (long term). after that its a war of attrition.
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You say smaller, but I’m thinking a lot of people will realise that their clients actually don’t work anymore on that date 😂
Yeah I think they’re underestimating how many people just won’t use the official app. The people who use Apollo, RiF, Relay, etc. are pretty attached.
I know for me reddit is just the app on my phone that I press when I’m bored now. I figured when the app doesn’t work anymore I’ll just find entertainment elsewhere, which is how I found the fediverse. Now that I’m here the whole concept of decentralized interconnected communities has totally sold me on the project.
The problem with reddit, Twitter, twitch, etc. as I see it is that they’re all just trying to profit off their users somehow. That’s not conducive to fostering healthy communities of people. I think this whole thing is the future of social networking, take the big corps out of the equation.
micro, small, large… whatever size the next wave is, lemmy has passed its first real test. I have a feeling we are going to be pretty well prepared for whatever comes next.
unrelated to your comment (sorta), but I just saw your comment update in real time after you edited it. I just thought that’s a really cool feature and wanted to point it out :)
realtime comment subscriptions are pretty damn slick.
Ok that’s pretty neat.
While it is neat I don’t see it offering a good user experience.
The reason this shouldn’t be in here, in a forum platform, is that if you go to the front page and try to read
newit keeps bouncing up and down because it’s constantly updating.Ohh wow. Just logged into the desktop site. Even browsing Hot it bounces around. That’s not good. I’ve been using Jerboa app and it’s been fine.
I believe this will be gone very soon though once they remove websockets
AFAIK this is true. But expect the site stability to be improved as a result.
I think the 30th will be smaller, but the ones who do participate will be more likely to go indefinite as users who just can’t stand the official app are forced to quit.
Then the third wave when they finally kill off old.reddit.com
You know I see that a lot of people love old reddit. I was a fan of it 10 years ago. When it switched to the modern layout, I think I was kind indifferent at first. But trying to go back to it after all these years, it seems like a downgrade in many ways. I guess I’m not seeing what they’re seeing lol.
More than 3 comments in a chain
Yup, it will be interesting to see what happens when the moderation really starts to suffer and subs are more and more full of ads, spam, trolls, and other kinds of problems.
Yeah, I’m sure it’ll die down more once the third party apps shut down. I wonder how many people are in it for the social aspect of Reddit anymore anyway, or if it isn’t just a constant scroll and upvote thing.
For better or for worse, spez was correct in claiming that this will just blow over. People in general are shit at boycotts, redditors doubly so - there’s barely any group cohesion or leadership there.
The people who see an issue with reddit’s current behavior have left, the others will just keep going on a much shittier platform. As it has ever been.
I’m guessing it’s cuz people who actually cared aren’t on Reddit rn tho
