In the last 3 days I’ve been paying attention to r/all, expecting several posts about it and…
Yeah
Wasn’t expecting the website to literally shut down nor to monopolize r/all, because 3rd party users are the minority, but I hoped for more than whatever this was.
At least there’s a silver lining, I discovered new alternatives that have healthier communities
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It went about as expected, IMO. 90% of redditors just don’t care that much - even if they agreed with the blackout in principle, most of them were likely just waiting patiently for their favourite subs to reopen so they could go back to browsing as usual. A quick browse through some of my subscribed (and still open) subs revealed a lot of commenters weren’t even clear about what was going on.
But it has had the effect of essentially kickstarting a community here which seems to be taking shape nicely and there’s finally a (small but growing fast) alternative to reddit - which didn’t really exist before. I can see the following months and years seeing a gradual shift in user base from reddit to here.
Reddit’s not going to die overnight; that was never going to happen. But it’s possible it’s the beginning of the end of their empire and the slow decline to the ranks of the remember-that-website-whatever-happened-to-that club. Time will tell I guess.
I think the death of 3rd party apps in a few weeks could be another moment when we see a big change in consumption habits. I don’t know that it’ll push people here, necessarily, but I would imagine it’ll hurt reddit traffic.
The other wildcard is what do mods do? If some big subreddits never come back, or a lot of moderators leave, what will that do to the quality of reddit?
I agree, this could be a slow burn, and these communities definitely have been kickstarted, which is nice. I just think the slow burn might be over the course of months, not years.
Also, when mods of subs announce that their “protest” has an end date, it’s not a statement, just a minor inconvenience
I agree, but those who are left are either looking for easily digestible memes or content created by others. Without an engaged community, Reddit has to be afraid of the next shiny thing that comes along, and I think that TikTok has shown us that they don’t even care if that next shiny thing is spying on them.
think that TikTok has shown us that they don’t even care if that next shiny thing is spying on them.
I think “is spying on them” has been baked in since Snowden at least. The TikTok early adopters grew up in a post 9/11 world predicated on being spied on.
The only real difference is it was someone else’s government doing the spying, for a change.
I think Reddit has become too mainstream to die. I think it will simply continue to become mainstream, perhaps eventually become more like Twitter in terms of userbase. and the next generation of niche forums will be born, and therefor the next Reddit. But maybe I’m wrong, maybe reddit will ‘never die.’
It will be like Facebook, once massive, now where genx parents get their ads and warn others to get off their porch
As a Gen-X parent, I’ve abhorred the look and feel of Facebook even from the beginning. When I first made an account I got connected with old high school people and thought it was pretty neat. But then I tried to share some thoughts for discussion like one would do on a BBS/forum/Reddit, and realized that wasn’t what it was for. That was the last I posted. I know I’m in a minority and people who love it have a need for sharing everything they do, but that isn’t me.
There’s a saying I like: “Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.” I don’t think this means that a person can only be one of those, but that in discussions there is a level of thinking going on with the category. I prefer the first one more, and even Reddit had places where you aren’t going to find that…but it had some, and I enjoyed my time there.
Oh, and get off my lawn. You too, boomers. Everyone get off the damn lawn!
I’m also a Gen X parent on Facebook. I don’t post anything, but so many groups use it as a public posting board. My kids sports leagues all have Facebook groups, my son’s piano school use Facebook for news and information. It’s really become indispensable as a collection of small, easy to use, newsgroups…
There are dozens of us!
I like that saying, by the way. I want to discuss everything, but when someone is limited to that lower level it’s quite disappointing.
Possible it’ll go the direction of Neopets and stuff. Still around, but not what it once was.
Even Digg is still around. But I think most people agree that it is “dead.” Reddit will probably end up the same.
Hell, even MySpace is still around.
Your MySpace is dope bro!
@Hypx same with Tumblr. It exists, but the core reason I used it is now gone and so are many of its members.
Alternatively, it could go in the direction of facebook - still around and packed full of everybody’s racist great aunts, romance scammers, and weed dealers.
The difference that I see between reddit and twitter is that reddit hasn’t been purchased to be the plaything of a billionaire. This matters because unlike facebook and google, reddit and twitter aren’t profitable. That means that reddit doesn’t have to pockets to buy up competitors, lobby for beneficial regulations, focus on expanding overseas, or move into making hardware.
Yet. It hasn’t been bought up yet, but they really really wish they were. Reddit has flipped to profits only mode already and they’re never going to change now. Being bought out during
IPO isn’t going up change that either, only intensify itReddit is just the plaything of anonymous billionaires that’s the whole reason they want the IPO at all costs because they can’t cash out without it, even if it is less than they had hoped for.
Yep! Reddit won’t die. It is becoming (and in some ways has been for some time) one of a very limited number of sites that the majority of the interconnected globe uses to exchange information, like Facebook. Even if it loses .5% of its current userbase to some alternative, it’s barely a drop in the bucket to Reddit, but that number is HUGE if it’s mostly dorks like us setting up a new home here in the Fediverse.
It’s a win-win; we want quality discussion here. Your average modern Reddit user wants the information drip. (And I should say, it’s entirely possible to be someone who uses both during this transition phase)
Reddit isn’t going to disappear, but that doesn’t mean it won’t die. Going public will kill Reddit. The parent company isn’t profitable, and the product isn’t profitable, and public investors will only tolerate that if growth suggests future gains.
Those future gains will be had by strangling Reddit and twisting its corpse into something much less useful, interesting, and fun.
Reddit’s animated corpse will carry on for years, but that IPO will be a poisoned pill for what we know and recognize as Reddit.
They telegraphed this when they started forcing users to look at depressed buskers (in between ads for Jesus and pizza rolls) and making posts scream almost uncontrollably as you scroll by them. It’s like someone really wants sfw OnlyFans, or Twitch without the video games, or YouTube except the content isn’t very curated. Instagram but live? Anything but Reddit.
So how do we stop that happening here? Do we just bounce between admins as they eventually can’t pay for their servers?
Support your admins, if you can. But yes, bouncing around will happen. Hopefully with added development support coming from an expanded userbase, account migration can be implemented on both Lemmy and kbin and people can move around with relative ease, as the need or desire strike.
Digg was around for a long time after Reddit took over. Hell even fark is still kicking.
Reddit doesn’t have to die. This place just has to be comfy enough for us to stick around. Not everything is growth over everything.
I’m actually pretty surprised with, despite how few people there are by comparison, how active and useful this has already been. And I’m expecring it to only continue to get better. Pretty sure I’ll have little reason to go back to Reddit except for some useful historical posts.
Especially after apps are shut down I’m expecting another flood of new users. And the numbers keep climbing (today kbin alone has gone up another at least 10%)
Saying you are going on a hunger strike but then announcing you’ll only go on it for two days made it a long shot that other subs would push for longer.
Any idea how only a 48 hour black out even got started instead of longer? Who proposed only 48 hours to make it catch on as that short of a protest.
I wouldn’t put it past a Reddit admin to impersonate a mod to encourage something like that
I didn’t go and check things out. But I gotta say, before I was an only Reddit user. Now I don’t expect to totally forgo Reddit forever, but I now know there are alternatives and it is a nicer community so far here.
At least here I’m not getting spammed with bots and “Satan Gets Us” ads.
satan gets us ads?? i’ve been using apollo for years and don’t know what you’re talking about AT ALL hahahaha those sound crazy
Same. I won’t let go of Reddit completely until more of the people in my favorite subs migrate and rebuild their communities here, if they do so at all. But Lemmy and Mastodon will become my new main social hubs either way.
Someone’s gotta be the early adopters, it looks like that’s us today.
I think the reaction on the site itself also suffered from the AMA getting hard buried.
Which was stupid. People should have upvoted the post in the AMA sub which was just a link to the AMA on the Reddit sub. It wasn’t even pinned. And even if you did find it, until they did a summary you couldn’t see his responses because also buried (understandably)
That said, yes, I agree with you and the adjacent poster - the upside is alternative platforms got a huge boost, and even if a lot of the influx doesn’t stay, it’s still a huge boost.
I’m watching the Active last month from the Lemmy stats and see that the spike didn’t yet turn into a needle.
This sentence weirdly fills me with hope. Maybe things will actually be better for the internet.
there’s room on the internet for more than one link aggregator - even if reddit returns and is bigger and badder than ever, I still wont use it. that platform is dead to me now
Have you ever added the word Reddit to a web search so you could find an answer online a lot of digging?
Stuff like that I imagine got hit hard. There will always be core communities that either stay up or are easy replicate but I imagine they’ll be losing a lot of smaller communities.
This is just about the only thing I use Reddit for anymore.
This is why subreddits shouldn’t close permanently. I wonder if its possible to leave subreddits in read-only mode? to allow anyone to find all the incredibly valuable information.
More importantly this is why we never should have allowed private companies to monopolize our access to our own freely shared information.
Yes it’s called restricted mode. Only whitelisted users can make posts or comments.
yes! i landed on reddit twice during the last couple days that way.
- the NixOS sub wasn’t dark, but users were asking about that and some were dropping the lemmy link.
- the selfhosted sub (or one adjacent to it, don’t remember) was dark, and for this query i actually could not find the info i needed written anywhere else. that was a wakeup call.
The blackout is just what reddit will look like after the 30th onwards
But on the other hand, look at how much the lemmy and kbin user base has grown. The blackouts had a significant impact in increasing lemmy adoption and usage.
Prior to the announced blackouts, I had no idea Lemmy even existed. Now here I am running my own instance.
Also, advertisers Reddit sells to have halted their campaigns until “next week.”
I think while on the surface it might feel underwhelming, it had more impact than you think. And now mods are discussing extending the blackout too.
What comes after the blackout is the exodus. So in time, Reddit will decline and people would hear more about Lemmy as the network effect grows, Lemmy can come out pretty strong.
Exactly. Just like Digg is still around, Reddit will be too. But it won’t ever be the same
The question is basically, how many mods and power users moved to other platforms. It was clear that Reddit would not die over night or that the Fediverse would be able to take on all the users of Reddit.
But without much of the volunteer labour, Reddit will enter a slow death spiral of worse and worse subreddits and the remaining users will slowly leave as a result.
I’m still on Reddit and don’t plan to leave, but it’s always nice to be on alternative sites like Lemmy. Half of the subreddits I read are still shut down, and there is debate on some subreddits on whether or not to stay shut down. It seems like most average users don’t care about the API changes and some are wondering what the big deal is.
Actually been dramatic for Lemmy. Users went from a little under 50K to a little over 125K total users. I do not know how that is not dramatic. It is not about Reddit really, it is about how many of these users will stay here.
I certainly will
To be honest, I’m happy with how it went. I am excited to be off of Reddit and part of the Fediverse now. I never expected Reddit to fail, but I think there will be a drastic decrease in quality content.
What I’m most happy about is that the Fediverse so far seems to be mostly actually pretty good people (though I’ve been largely chilling in kbin since the blackout started – it only just turned on federation). Most past attempts to abandon reddit only saw the most toxic, horrible people leave. Sites like Voat were never an option because the users were awful. It’s nice that so far, I haven’t really seen any of that. In fact, it feels the opposite, with the people who left reddit being disproportionately great people, with the toxic people being more likely to stay on reddit.
I wonder if it’ll last? I hope so. I wanted to leave reddit in the past but never felt like there was anywhere comparable to go that wasn’t shit.
There’s a decent chance it will. The fediverse is—generally speaking—a fairly friendly and welcoming place. That’s in part to it’s decentralized nature and individual moderation tools. Bad actors can be blocked on an individual level (I just blocked /u/donaldtrump last night because I do not want to see stupid parody accounts and just like that he’s gone) as well as on an instance level for anyone not following the rules.
Each instance has their own rules about how to behave, so the bigots and whatnot get booted if they cause problems. Eventually they find an equally terrible server that will have them and once they start up again, that instance can be defederated, which is basically like cutting off the bridge to their island… no way to communicate. Eventually they end up alone or with equally terrible people on other instances.
That’s not to say that the fediverse doesn’t have it’s share of problems or is perfect, but we’re working hard to try and keep this a decent place to be.
How are instances defederated?
I wonder how kbin will be supported.
I will echo this. I was skeptical that any reddit alternative wouldn’t just be deplorables. I’ve browsed some sites with the most unbelievably racist stuff spewed. Pleased with kbin for now.
Kbin has been really great, everyone here is a lot more civil. I remember when reddit was like that prior to digg v3. And then eternal September. It took a while before reddit got to where it is now with almost everyone with any expertise on the website. But I think for the most part, decent people and decent communities are more fulfilling.
yeah i’m happy with kbin so far, it has legit potential to replace reddit
There are several points to be made:
The Old Reddit, whatever it means, is long gone forever. Aaron is gone. Spez does not care. No apologies or retracting will be made and that’s it.
Reddit must have calculated that there are enough ‘casual’ crowd (not a long timer, does not use or care about 3rd party apps or the old interface, comes for the quick laughs and watches ads) so they could withstand whatever pressure the ‘hard-core’ crowd (long timer, uses and cares about old UI and API changes, does not generate ad views in general, spends long hours in site) generates.
Reddit must have also considered the possibility of the second crowd simply going away. I suspect Spez or the investors simply does not give a damn about it. Ad revenues are everything and there’s a loud minority that threatens to leave? Why should they care, after all? All they see is a potential for “more” growth.
What they do and must care is the eventual entrance of a sizeable competition that eats into their revenues - less visitors mean less ad revenues. Lemmy and Fediverse, as much as I love it and will keep using it, is not that threat - yet.
What will probably happen is that the wider internet will label the riot (as of now) a massive failure, laugh at the “bravery” of slacktivism or whatever the latest meme can be slapped at.
Despite that, it should mark the emerging of a sustainable group of Reddit-like communities that could, in one day, become the competition Digg never thought they would face.
No, I don’t think Lemmy is perfect. I do have an issue with the dev’s political stance. But as long as they don’t become the Spez of what was supposed to be the Federation, and the software and the protocol and the community can sustain and rule themselves, things might be alright.
Reddit will eventually die, like many other internet websites. Perhaps not now. They won’t go out in a spectacular way the Digg v4 happened, but simply wither away like Facebook. But we have another home, and it’s all that matters.
Aaron is gone.
;_; RIP.
The other truth a lot of us don’t want to face is that, in all likelihood, reddit wants the old heads to leave. We are not their demo anymore. Users with accounts in the 10-15 year range are in their thirties and forties generally. We’re not their target demo, and they think our complaining about the good ol’ days is probably keeping away some of their gullible you get demo that don’t care that their data is being mined, don’t realize when they’re talking to bots, and are used to being assaulted by ads because they don’t know any better.
The blackout caused some more media attention beforehand, so that’s part of the win I guess. Perhaps all the negative attention still isn’t enough, but it did sent a message.
