“I’ve spoken with 60 air traffic controllers tonight about what Sean Duffy said at the White House today,” said one journalist. “None of them are buying what he said.”
Air traffic controllers are rejecting US Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy’s explanation for Friday’s nationwide flight ground stop, raising questions about the Trump administration’s account of a communications failure that disrupted air travel across the United States, affecting an estimated 1.5 million travelers.
Washington Examiner homeland security reporter Anna Giaritelli told CNN’s Laura Coates during a Friday night interview that she’d spoken with 60 air traffic controllers about the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) ground stop, which was just the third to ever occur.
“None of them are buying what he said,” Giaritelli said. “The controllers were saying, ‘We don’t buy that this is actually what’s happening, the reason that Sean Duffy is saying this has happened.’”
Anyone with even a passing knowledge of systems knows everything out of this incompetent turd circus about the ground stop is utter bullshit.
It’s a goddamn tragedy they’re not only thus incompetent but this stupid about it.
This is how dumb America has become
The dumbing down is not in hearing what this stupid leadership is saying and portraying
The dumbing down is in the fact that the entire nation just accepts it all and does nothing.
At this point, the American government can utterly fail at doing the most basic things and the American people in general will just stand there, complain a little and take it as another normal in the USA
A few years ago if it had been a Democrat as president, the entire news cycle would have gone apeshit at even the least thing this current government has done … instead incompetency and complete stupidity is just becoming normalized now
The fault is not in the government … the fault is in the nation of people who have just become mindless zombies that really just don’t care any more
At work we recently performed a forklift upgrade of a critically important system. New hardware, around 30 new servers, updated OS, new software version.
This week two different people in IT leadership reported on the effort to the entire IT department in the monthly meeting.
As a person who has been intimately involved in the project for more than a year, it was amusing to hear them get almost every detail about the project wrong. They didn’t accurately describe what was done. They didn’t report the correct reasons the upgrade happened. About the only thing they managed to get correct was the name of the application.
This is a kind of whisper-down-the-lane problem, except you have to add that at each step as the details are communicated up the chain, each person summarizes them based on their understanding and their expectation about what their direct supervisor can understand. And many of the people in that chain really have less than a basic understanding of what the system does, to say nothing of how it does it.
However, all the people in that chain do not have any real reason to lie. They aren’t trying to hide the truth or cover their asses. There are no ulterior motives involved, beyond trying to report a success. There was no massive failure of the upgrade, but even if there was, no one in our organization gets fired for an honest mistake.
Now apply that same circumstance to anything that this administration does and understand that anyone in a leadership position in President Pedo’s government got there because they are racist, sexist scum who believe more than half the citizens in this country deserve to die or they are perfectly willing to let more than half the citizens in this country die if they see some benefit to themselves. Also consider that in order to keep their job they need to at least appear to be dumb enough to not outshine the dementia-riddled moron in command.
Of course everything they said is wrong. It can’t possibly be correct.
This is a kind of whisper-down-the-lane problem, except you have to add that at each step as the details are communicated up the chain, each person summarizes them based on their understanding and their expectation about what their direct supervisor can understand. And many of the people in that chain really have less than a basic understanding of what the system does, to say nothing of how it does it.
Now, in addition to that, insert an intermediary step between each one, where a hallucination-prone AI summarizes what the previous person said.
Love that leadership not involved in the day to day did the department update. Not a chance we’d let the team get full credit for their hard work
One person did list the names of the people in our team who were involved in the effort.
I appreciated that, but I kind of wish they had asked us what was involved.
It’s not just the pat on the back IMO. It’s the personal development (giving a presentation in front of a big group) and giving people face time with the department / company. That’s how you promote from within the department, grow your staff and build skills
I’m not disagreeing with you, but if the person most critical to the effort (and most deserving of recognition) heard you suggest that she should have been given the opportunity to present the changes, she might hunt you down and kill you. In a violent and gruesome manner.
Future team lead energy right there, and she sounds like she should be voluntold to present on a semi regular basis.
Project 2025 (pages 632-633) is what happened, as executed by de facto President Stephen Miller. It’s a fascist scam to help the crooks to further enrich themselves at taxpayers’ and flying customers’ expense. More corruption from a silent, incompetent, corrupt Trumpepstein.
Project 2025 You’ll have to manually type in the page number or scroll for days.
So what really happened? It sounds like it’s what we all suspected and it’s the rollout of the AI.
None of them are buying what he said because they said these types of switches that the FAA is doing, they don’t happen during the day, they don’t happen during busy times like a Friday afternoon. They’re doing these midweek, middle of the night when there is no air traffic going on.
Duffy is now demanding Congress give him another 50 billion in additional emergency funding without saying what it’s being used for.
That’s a lot of reasons.
“these types of switches that the FAA is doing, they don’t happen during the day” This is very confusingly worded. Switches to what? From what? Wasn’t Duffy talking about “switches and routers” as in the network devices? Not “switches” as an action.
Could be the switches from copper lines to fiber line
It also doesn’t make sense because anything this important is fully redundant. There is no fucking way switching over a switch/router from copper to fiber should include any downtime in a datacenter as important as the FAA communication/radar equipment.
Believe it or not those communications lines they are on are singular, there is not redundancy. Yes, it’s that stupid, they’ve been that stupid about it. Other things may have happened and they may be lying, but there is only one system of communications lines.
Citation needed, my experience tells me otherwise
I work with the US government. So, on one hand that wouldn’t surprise me. But on the other hand for something this important they often have really strict rules and I would need some actual evidence to trust you. Tech debt in these government agencies is insane and it wouldn’t surprise me too much if they just had an ancient system that doesn’t support redundancy or something like that.
I remember I had a friend who worked for the DOJ in like 2010 and told me they didn’t have the technology to print more than one page at a time lol. So yeah I wouldn’t be surprised, especially with something so critical where they’re not going to want to switch over when it could cause issues like this.
It’s possible these 60 experienced Air Traffic Controllers are competent, though, and can’t relate to the shitty people who make bad decisions who are in charge right now
It’s also possible that there’s a bunch of terminology that’s being slung around inexactly. Non-technical people are hearing “switch,” for example, and are all hearing different things. Even me, a fairly technical person that runs a home network, am not familiar with enterprise-level switch technology and all its intricacies. My assumptions on hearing Duffy’s explainations are different than an expert’s and a laymen’s.
Depends on who is running it.
the dems lie too, they just have illicit affairs with adults and steal money slightly less egregiously. sometimes they fill in a pothole.
it is better, but they’re not more honest.
Nonsense. There is such a thing as good government. Conservatives don’t even believe it is a thing, and it’s become common currency to badmouth all of government, but I reject that kind of nihilism.
As the author of Blockers as pointed out, sure, people like to say they don’t trust government, but by their actions, they prove that they actually do trust government when they expect that the food has been inspected, that their water meets regulations, that airplanes have a great safety track record, that cars have to meet standards, and so on…
I didn’t say there’s no such thing as good government. I don’t believe I weight in on the topic. I said we moved from howling fascist gigapedos to cryptofascist sex pests in charge of ours.
in the future please relate whatever you’re saying in reply to my comment to some shit I said please.
affecting an estimated 1.5 million travelers
Yeah but what could a ticket cost, $10?
Duffy blamed the disruption on America’s aging air traffic control infrastructure, saying overloaded switches and routers had produced inconsistent radar and communications data.
Ah yeah sure, a fucking switch failing causes a nationwide outage. Totally. Switches dont really get “overloaded” in the first place.
Power grids have switches that are designed to do that though. Can’t wait until AI is introduced into that. WCGW?
This is about network switches tho or wdym?
My reading of that comment is there’s multiple domains where switches are a common component, and introducing a LLM into the mix is guaranteed to lead to cross contamination and perversion of advice for future planning and diagnostics.
Anyone who is impressed by the function or output of a LLM, to the point they believe it is in any way adjacent to intelligence, must be quarantined from decision making processes which affect anyone not similarly cognitively impaired.
Yes, wasn’t a comparison of the technical part, just more a commentary on how introducing probability to something that needs to always work the same every time is not a great mix.
So not totally serious comment, but yet also, serious implied comment.
So they just want $50BB before the music stops in 2 months, is that it?
Based on everything else this administration has done, I would not be surprised if they had hired some college kids to develop in prod. It would be interesting to find out what actually happened and how.
Turns out ‘move fast and break things’ isn’t a great strategy when it comes to maintaining national infrastructure that people’s lives depend on.
They’re trying to grift out 50 billion from Congress.
If your buddies literally hand the money to you and get a cut, are they a victim or an accessory?
It happened on a friday. Probably just more stock market manipulation.
Duffy lied
Look at that pic! Sean “Crooked Mouth” Duffy.
