Hopefully they make whatshisname die on his sword (figuratively, just fire the neonazi(maybe) prick if that’s the issue, get not trusting, who can you?). Best I can tell no major breaches, probably still doesn’t keep logs (coz that’s good legally).

That said, it’s a nice VPN, for the price, that allows a port open and gives a 500GB offsite backup (locally encrypted, natch) and email (I care not about their Google Suite equivalent as long as it doesn’t break security).

But in general don’t let anyone centralize your failure points, get ye a domain that points at an email provider that you can change on a whim. No, email will never be secure without a willing (encryption and there’s GPG if you know) partner, that’s all BS.

My honest advice: If Proton fulfils your needs, stick to it. There are currently no concerns that outweighs the benefits Proton can provide.

A possible alternative would be Mailbox(.org). I would recommend against Tuta, due the absence of JMAP/IMAP (vendor-lockin) and lack of PGP encryption support (means you can only send End-to-End encrypted emails to other Tuta users).

I have a mail subscription with them until May. At which point I will assess the market and if there has been any change or coverage of the internal goings on at the company. I may not commit to a long term subscription and drop to monthly if the goings on arent clear

The only real solution for email is to own your own domain.
Then you can move email providers without changing email addresses.

I don’t use them for email but I have a bit over a year left of their VPN service already paid for.
I’ll probably switch before it’s over unless they change course.

Yes, you are required to do what the Internet hive mind demands of you, or you’ll have to give up your “Netizen” card.

Do you have to hate Proton now? Of course not. But you should be getting some warning lights that the company being advertised and the company Andy Yen wants to run seem to be at odds with each other.

I literally made a post about ditching Proton the other day, you may have even seen it

Amongst other things, and probably an unpopular opinion in this community, I am not important. Adblock and what I think of as good internet habits shield me from the worst that “spying” could do to me and the number of personal email correspondancea I have in a year totals to probably less than three messages. What I’m saying, humbly, is that I could switch back to Google tomorrow without much harm. I never used the VPN. I never used the Drive. Proton Pass and maybe some storage space in the Email were the only things of value from my subscription and not worth $13/month in a fair market. My support for Proton was more of a protest against Big Tech than a dire need for E2E “based in Switzerland” Encryption. But if Andy Yen wants to act like Big Tech, I’ll treat him like Big Tech.

CEO AI shareholder simp, has Protons security protocols lapsed

A quick note that Proton isn’t public and is managed by a non-profit board of trustees, who seem content to let Andy Yen do whatever he wants (no matter how at odds it is to the company mission). No shareholders.

The second point is up for debate, but yeah, IMO, they have. Calling your engineers “losers” for suggesting that AI-written code be tested before shipping and adopting a “more revenue above all else” mindset is a usual indication of security protocols being ignored, but you’ll never know the answer to this question until it’s too late. I would rather be the frog that jumped too early.

I probably need to continue with them for VPN, but will probably move to Tuta eventually. I don’t particularly hate them and I do still see their work and products as of quality. Just the CEO sucks.

Unless they drop Andy Yen, yes.

It seems like a lot of lemmings have moved to Mailbox.org or Fastmail. I just moved to Tuta but I am considering jumping to Mailbox.

You can use Proton Mail Bridge with imapsync to migrate easily from Proton.

You don’t have to, but generally hating fascists is recommended.

AFAIK, no, the security is fine for their various services. For now at least. Pushing to slop out more AI code is probably not going to effect quality and security positively.

I definitely get where you are coming from, and it’s difficult if not impossible to have every thing and every service you use be ‘morally good’

So you pick and choose. I’ve been working to switch everything to my own domain, and then I have a mail host or if I really had to could pose my own, for instance, but it’s not easy.

It’s fine.

I don’t hate Proton, but I have no intention of ever trusting them. It helps that I don’t have to deal with the sunk cost fallacy as I hadn’t switched to then yet when the Trump appointment comment happened and seemed like a warning to me. Add sponsoring far right YouTube channels and a toxic CEO who wants quantity over quality and security. Why would anyone reasonable trust them as long as he’s in charge?

“we” dont hate Proton.

Its a loud minority, some upvotes then and others ignore those comment so you get an impression its consensus judging by upvotes. (at least this is my theory)

It took me some time to understand what you’re talking about e-mail server. My first thought was about the Wine (… not emulator) fork.