• _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works
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    11 days ago

    mountain bike

    unsuitable for commuting

    Nah, they’re fine for commuting especially with shitty streets. I commute on my Trek 820 all the time! They do have smoother street oriented tires on them though.

  • Communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz
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    10 days ago

    Yo combustion engines did in fact replace horses though… This is like just denial. Name a case where someone actually prefers a horse for actual work that isn’t just about the novelty of having a horse do it…

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      4 days ago

      Name a case where someone actually prefers a horse for actual work that isn’t just about the novelty of having a horse do it…

      All sorts of rough terrain stuff, where hooves work great but wheels don’t. For example, hilly terrain on a ranch.

      Anywhere where you have plenty of pasture to feed a horse for cheaper than the oil cost of a car/motorbike. Or just needed to be more off-grid than an early automobile would easily provide.

      Anytime you want a self-driving vehicle. If you were blackout drunk in the 1900s you could stagger to your horse and your horse could carry you home by itself.

      Basically anytime you didn’t need the extra horsepower/speed - my mother would talk about a veggie seller when she was growing up, who had a horsecart in the 1950s/60s that went up and down High Street every day kind of like an ice cream van would today. The horse would walk along and stop when someone came out, and then when someone bought some veggies the horse would tend to cheekily start walking right around the end of the purchase instead of waiting for the veggie seller to tell him first. Could he have bought a truck? Maybe, but trucks were expensive so maybe he just couldn’t afford it. Either way, why bother? The better specs aren’t even useful for the task. Nowadays this would be impossible as it’s now illegal to go that slowly down High Street, due to all the cars.

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      10 days ago

      The point is that horses got replaced by trains, trams and bicycles for most people long before cars became widely used.

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          9 days ago

          You are also arguing in bad faith, because cars are not the same as internal combustion engines. You might be able to argue correctly that tractors replaced farm animals for productive use, but tractors are not cars.

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              9 days ago

              And boats are a variety of car if they have an ICE, right? 🤡

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                9 days ago

                boats are not a variety of car, but also boats didn’t replace horses? tractors are in no way meaningfully different from a car.

                both four wheeled vehicles attached to an ICE. Cars.

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                  9 days ago

                  You are making up arbitrary definitions to suit your silly argument. A boat is a form of personalized transport with an ICE engine, a steering wheel and seats, even a windshield etc. so it is clearly a “car” 🤡

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          10 days ago

          Have you read the article? It’s really not about horses at all, and it makes some good points that help put the horse comment into context.

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              9 days ago

              Perhaps we’re getting hung up on the semantics of “replaced.” Where once there were horses, there were later internal combustion vehicles of many kinds. But the point the article makes is simply that that “replacement” wasn’t as direct as the typical claim, as urban workers were not commuting on horseback. People did not ride into the dealership in a personal carriage, trade in the horses, and drive off the lot in a Model T. At that time, communities were denser and people were walking and using transit. Some of the transit was pulled by horses, later replaced by individual cars as the auto industry systematically attacked transit and reshaped cities, but that’s not what the “replaced” claim implies. It has the sound of a 1:1 swap.