So, to repeat the question, do you think the Democratic Party, of which Pelosi is a leader and not even the most right wing one, opposes the neoliberal order?
Liberalism historically from its inception has believed people have certain rights, right to “free market “ as they say is one of those.
In the US Democrats also go by liberal, but not all liberals and democrats know their position is definitionally pro capitalism and liberal has taken on a definition of left of conservatives/republicans that most Americans have not dug in that far.
TLDR To speak American politics their are conservatives/Republicans and everyone else is liberal, including in that camp progressives, leftists, Bernie Bros, anarchists.
To speak Leftist politics, you have Leftists, Anarchists, Liberals (including conservatives, liberals, progressives because all their policies are pro capitalism )
Democrats are a political party, one that hasn’t had a consistent ideological set of beliefs throughout its own existence. For that matter neither has the republican party.
You and @Space_Cowboy92 don’t seem to have the best reading comprehension.
I was refuting that democrats are “by definition” pro capitalist. Not whether the party leadership always had an explicit pro capitalist agenda. Those are different things.
Now, I did say their ideology has changed, which is also true. I said that to support my argument, but it was not the point I was making in of itself.
Weaseling in a word that indicates an immutable and intrinsic trait to something that is not immutable in that way and then subtly backpedaling to a different stance is slimy.
They 1000% are pro capitalism in the United States. You’re eithe fucking stupid, or not a citizen of the USA to think democrats are not pro capitalism.
Its almost as if these posts are put up to be divisive, and to keep any opposition to the current right wing neoliberal order divided. Huh.
Do you think the Democratic Party opposes the neoliberal order?
TIL Pelosi is the only democrat.
Did you know she was speaker of the house? That’s, like, a big deal.
It doesn’t matter what random Democrats think (obviously), it matters what the leadership thinks.
This is almost repeating the argument that is literally what the OP is getting at.
The point is democrats and republicans are not the fucking same and people who say they are are not serious people or worth serious consideration.
So, to repeat the question, do you think the Democratic Party, of which Pelosi is a leader and not even the most right wing one, opposes the neoliberal order?
Democrats and liberals by definition are pro capitalism. Stop conflating leftists and liberals. Leftism begins at anti capitalism.
Liberalism historically from its inception has believed people have certain rights, right to “free market “ as they say is one of those. In the US Democrats also go by liberal, but not all liberals and democrats know their position is definitionally pro capitalism and liberal has taken on a definition of left of conservatives/republicans that most Americans have not dug in that far.
TLDR To speak American politics their are conservatives/Republicans and everyone else is liberal, including in that camp progressives, leftists, Bernie Bros, anarchists. To speak Leftist politics, you have Leftists, Anarchists, Liberals (including conservatives, liberals, progressives because all their policies are pro capitalism )
Spoken like someone who can observe objective reality, unlike USA Dems.
I wasn’t arguing with you
Sorry, I think I got caught up on your TLDR. But rereading, yes I can see you’re agreeing. My mistake.
Democrats are a political party, one that hasn’t had a consistent ideological set of beliefs throughout its own existence. For that matter neither has the republican party.
They are not “by definition” pro capitalism.
Well, they’ve always been capitalist. There’s never been a time when they weren’t capitalist. So… odd argument to make.
You and @Space_Cowboy92 don’t seem to have the best reading comprehension.
I was refuting that democrats are “by definition” pro capitalist. Not whether the party leadership always had an explicit pro capitalist agenda. Those are different things.
Now, I did say their ideology has changed, which is also true. I said that to support my argument, but it was not the point I was making in of itself.
Weaseling in a word that indicates an immutable and intrinsic trait to something that is not immutable in that way and then subtly backpedaling to a different stance is slimy.
Yes, in theory, if we remove all the current leadership, the Democrats could not be capitalist.
And, given how US election law is written, which has carve outs for the Dems all over the place to avoid 3rd parties, that is what is needed.
But the Democrats as they now and in all times past have been are capitalist.
They 1000% are pro capitalism in the United States. You’re eithe fucking stupid, or not a citizen of the USA to think democrats are not pro capitalism.
Carrying the flame, even.