(Shamelessly stealing this image from some crackpot carnivore diet community elsewhere on the lemmyverse, with which I have never once interacted, but noticed I have been banned from. Lulz.)
This reminds me of a controversy among the carnivore diet community, where someone got smeared as a “vegan” for seasoning his meat, and really liking chili peppers.
Imagine how warped your mind has to be, to find spices and plants controversial.
“But look at these AI generated fat people eating chips, which is made out of potatoes, therefore it’s vegan!” - many of the carnivore diet grifters
Regardless of your take on the ethics of meat, this argument is nonsensical from either side.
Mixtures of things have different effects than their component parts.
It’s like saying if the hot chocolate just tastes like the cocoa powder, why don’t I just eat the cocoa powder?
Because the texture and nature of the water give it a property too.
I think they were trying to make an equivalent argument to the questions around the existence of plant-based “meats”. That line of reasoning usually goes “why create a meat-like ‘concoction’ from plants rather than just eating delicious plant products themselves? Why do we need products resembling meat? Just eat a plant-based diet.”
I understand now that these products aren’t for me, and aren’t necessarily for those who are comfortable working directly with plants in the kitchen. They also provide an easy off-ramp from a more meat-heavy diet. Beyond Burgers are akin to vapes for those struggling to eat less meat.
Sure we can judge things by the sum of their parts. Like how no matter how well prepared any meal is, no matter how divine it’s mouthfeel, I am unable to take pleasure in the consumption of a food that I know is the result of immense animal suffering. That is what animal products are made of too. They are also made of human suffering from the workers who are all but forced into working in slaughterhouses, an occupation well known for causing ptsd in its workers. I also derive no pleasure in knowing that animal overconsumption is one of the primary drivers of heart disease - the number one killer in most western countries, something which is completely preventable in 99% of people.
Animal products are also made of wanton environmental destruction, as well as being a massive zoonotic disease vector.
So why stop there? Please take your analysis even further.
I’m very specifically not getting into this argument. Everything you just said is completely right.
All I’m saying is this particular argument about taste and flavors is the worst possible one to make because it’s demonstrably illogical.
For the British: the things shown in the picture are spices. You add them to food to make it have taste.
And, sugar is not a spice.
What about beans?
My wife add flavor at to meat, I like it just with salt.
Why are you so obsessed with how rocks taste, just east the food
Me add super pepper, and then salt. Then, me sear, rest, and est
Before I took up veganism, someone asked me about my feelings on it once.
And this was pretty much my response. I’m not really that attached to food in general regardless.
My answer wasn’t satisfactory though, because later they complained that I needed expressively enjoy the alternatives we ate.
It’s like asking an atheist if they enjoy Christmas without the Christ stuff — I mean sometimes? Most of it isn’t Christian, you’ve just come to associate them.
Like yes, I still enjoy salt, fat, and sweet smoky flavours even if they’re not from warming body parts of dubious provenance in my kitchen? I’m quite happy to leave that part out, thanks!
[Some kind of body of Christ pun.]
Yeah basically.
I always knew that it was the flavoring I enjoyed, which came from the spices. Not judging anyone that does miss meat or other animal products, but for the most part I’m rather unbothered.
And obviously I believe in the cause, I’m not just doing it because I can.
Been making home made seitan the past couple weeks and it’s so good.
This is the way.
On the opposite side, why do vegans spend so much time and energy trying to make replacements of meat products? Not protein, but vegan sausages, vegan bacon, vegan eggs, that sort of thing. They’re trying to replace the very thing they gave up with something that looks and tastes like the very thing they gave up.
I am not vegan yet but if i could get the same identical culinary experience as meat minus the horrors of the animal holocaust industry. I will become vegan in a heartbeat.
I know vegans who dont hide that they do really miss meat. I imagine even those that don’t would appreciate having alternatives that turn more people away from the real thing.
It was a serious question. Thank you for providing a serious answer.
Generally the same reason people like to video games to emulate real life even if they do not want the games to be real
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remember folks. if you don’t put any herbs and seasonings on your food… there is a 100% chance you are British, stupid, or more likely both. British food should be renamed “Bland shit that gets served in a dying home” (dying home = those shitty retirement homes where people go to die alone with a meal plan that makes USA public school food look like $100k plate 5 star food cooked by the best chefs in the world)
WOAH OWAH WOAH
Reported for ableism, surely we cant go around accusing eachother of being Bri*ish
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I didn’t know that being British was a disability. my apologies all you poor British blokes…
Did I use Blokes correctly? I’m sadly American abd can only understand American, Queens, Bronx, Pittsburghese, and strangely enough Mole (if you get the redwall reference).
Vegetarians and vegans just hate plants more than they love animals.
It’s the mineral eaters you really need to keep your eye on.
Umm, akshually, since animals eat so many plants, eating meat is the far more effective move for plant haters.
Clearly you are making this argument in seriousness and good faith, so excuse me while I spend a couple of nights and more paragraphs than anyone will read to fully articulate my carefully crafted rebuttal.
Yeah, they’re very salty.
As a kid I used to eat handfuls of salt, probably lucky I didn’t die of sodium poisoning.
I don’t even BUY meat anymore! I’m a real man! A MAN’S MAN! I find animals in the wild and I chase them until thtye die of exhaustion and I eat it RAW! I have to get shots and medication to fight off prions and parasites like every other week BUT THIS IS HOW MEN DID IT IN MEN’S DAYS! I neither rely on the big production of meat or eating “plants” like some yuppie ass hipster!
THIS IS HOW MEN SHOULD BE! WE ARE HUNTERS or something, I dunno.
shoutouts to joe biden
It’s crazy how many people got hurt by a meme in shitpost community.
Good job OP!
*Takes a bow*
Just want to comment here, because some people seem to be trying to spread a stinky narrative: yes virtually all plants contain “toxins”. No, that does not mean they are toxic or poisonous to us. Caffeine is literally a natural pesticide; and yet coffee and teas are well known to be beneficial to our health and longevity, for just one example.
Spices are an easy way to give any meal not only better flavor, but a small punch of phytonutrients that most people are sorely lacking.
Don’t let the crackpot carnivores spread their lies.
The right spices enhance the flavor of the meat without overpowering it
Same with vegitables and other foods. It’s what herbs and spices do when used properly.
I just use salt, maybe a little powered stock of whatever animal I’m cooking so if can taste even more like that animal.
To my surprise I found you could get vegan chicken and beef stock, because I guess the flavour for those is mostly from salt and whatever spices we associate with that stock.
The script can very easily be flipped, OP. “If you like plants so much why are you trying to make it imitate meat?”
This is the flip. Meat eaters say this to vegans all the time. That’s the whole joke.
And vegans need to stop calling people who consume meat “meat eaters.” I have no problem with a salad and some veggies BECAUSE I’M AN OMNIVORE. (as are all you vegans because you are human and that’s LITERALLY what we are).
We didn’t become the dominant species on this planet by hunting carrots. We are predators. Get over yourself.
They have multiple points, but a big one is that you can live a happy healthy life without eating animals or animal products, therefore eating those is optional.
and my point is that being nutritionally complete is easier if you consume animal proteins. Vegans are playing on hardmode by choice and think that makes them special. IMHO they are right; “special” enough to warrant their own bus. Don’t anthropomorphize your food. Chickens are IDIOTS who will cannibalize each other without a second thought, Pigs may be “smart” but are clueless (and also will cannibalize each other like chickens), and cattle are absolute MORONS. In fact the only reason we eat the animals that we do is because their ancestors were too mentally vaccuous to avoid humans altogether. (like say, MOST OF THE AFRICAN MEGA FAUNA which evolved with us and so are wise to our BS.)
Oh, I learned something new. I hadn’t heard that one yet.
Short answer: for the noobs. Most vegans grow to increasingly prefer more plant-forward meals. The humble bean is by far the most underappreciated ingredient out there.
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