If the performance weakness continues for a week or two, the agency would start recommending decreasing spend with Reddit or directing it to other platforms.
After the blackout, we will be closely monitoring user behavior on Reddit and guide clients when we can unpause,” said Freddy Dabaghi, managing director at Stagwell-backed Crispin Porter Bogusky, which has asked clients to stop campaigns, depending on their client goals.
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Hey! I’m keeping this as it’s sharing knowledge with new users from Reddit. However, in future please find another community to post this on, because it is not related to the lemmy.world instance specifically.
Honestly, regardless of what happens, I have no plans to go back. Lemmy’s been a refreshing breath of fresh air.
I also like it more and more, especially since more communities are popping up and they get more populated.
It really is, there isn’t as much content as reddit and that may or may not change but the lack of people acting like they are better than everyone makes it well worth it. I deleted the app and won’t go back
Fully agree, let’s keep this attitude going here! :)
yup, let those folk stay on Reddit.
Same. It’s really struck me both how little I miss it and how much I like the communities here. There’s a much friendlier vibe.
And for the most part, aside from the bullshit threads where it’s encouraged and expected, the comments are a lot more ‘high-effort,’ which is nice. That’s something that I would expect to tend to naturally go down with the lowest common denominator as user count increases, but we’ll see.
Yeah, I think the kind of people to drop reddit over this are going to be more my kind of people, if that makes sense.
Conversation seems deeper, less dominated by repeated jokes.
The forum wheel spins what the forum wheel wills.
Lemmy was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to Reddit-esque forums. But it was a beginning.
All praise the hamster
also you don’t have a karma system homogenizing behavior by making redditors constantly addicted to upcummies
As much as I’ll miss my karma crops, the higher bar here (at least, for now) is a welcome reprieve.
Doesn’t lemmy have w “points” thing?
At least the web UI doesn’t show me my net score if there’s one. And no one seems to care about karma or having a minimum karma to post like on Reddit. It was frustrating making a new account just to post on certain subs and having my stuff removed preemptively. I just hope to never experience that ever again.
Even on reddit i didn’t care about karma, just posted and commented when i felt like it and where i felt like it.
This is a really good point, and one of the reasons I’m happy to make my new online home here.
The type of people who act like this is nothing, or worse, act like there’s nothing that can be done and we should just roll over, won’t have gone through the trouble to come here. And yeah, I’m with you, they can all hang out and circlejerk the same jokes over and over along with the bots.
Best of both worlds, and we’re all happy. A bit of positive selection bias.
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Until all the communities I love move here I think I’d be hopping back and forth from Sync for Reddit and Jeroba for Lemmy, until that happens or Sync breaks lol.
I just hope Mr Dawson magically creates support for Lemmy in Sync for Reddit…
What do you mean by Lemmy for Reddit?
A typo lol, I edited my comment, I meant Jerboa for Lemmy.
Ah ok, I thought I was about to learn something new again ^^
I wanted to leave for such a long time, but the alternatives weren’t active enough.
If enough people stick around, yeah, I’m never going back.
I’m really hoping the federated nature will make advertising harder. That’s what really started making Reddit suck.
Imagine after the 3rd party apps are killed!
Even if Reddit does negotiate manageable rates for “non profit” 3rd party apps (lol), wait until Reddit users figure out they still can’t access NSFW content except from the Reddit official app and the new Reddit layout. Break out the popcorn.
redditors around the world pounding their fists on tables
let us jerk, let us jerk!
I truly never realized how many people used Reddit for porn until this happened
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probably a good 40/50 percent of reddit user use it only for corn lmao
The internet is for corn!
Sorry, Kate!
I masticate!
Ooh show me your kernel.
?
Linux users salivate
Nebraska and Iowa lust intensifies.
Don’t forget Illinois! We lead the nation some years in… corn
Your governors certainly enjoy giving it to the people
Yeah, sway in the wind just like that. You know what I like.
I don’t care if they fix all of that. I don’t care about nsfw so it’s no motivator but even if they offered to pay me I wouldn’t go back. Not worth the consequences.
The main draw was that people using 3rd party apps didn’t see (reddit’s) ads. If 10% of apollo’s users go to the official app, that is 10% that are seeing ads were they didn’t before.
Bit of a catch-22, because reddit is also counting all those 3rd-party users as part of their userbase when talking about how many users they have. These 3rd party app users also generate some of the content that draws undiscerning users to open reddit and view ads on the way.
Yupp, bit of a leopards ate my face moment! Is their a community for that on here yet btw?
A new blackout tracker just dropped on the Discord: https://darktotal.com/
This one is much nicer.
Confused looking at r/gtafk jumping every hour from public to restricted to private to public to…
Mod fight, probably.
Thank you for sharing!
ps, which discord is this?
I’ve also been liking https://blackout.photon-reddit.com/
Oh that’s a great one as well! The graph bottom right tracking individual subs over time is super helpful
That’s very useful. I scrolled through the out of blackout list and was disappointed to find quite a few of my most-visited subreddits were public again
It almost makes me more upset that the subreddits are going public and makes me resist going back even more. It’s obviously having some sort of impact from that article about advertisers. Like, do mods really need to have their subreddit public that much? Go touch some god damn grass It’s irritating
I love how this contrasts with the CEO statement that many subreddits would go back to normal after the 2 days
I mean. We’re all here. No idea how many people will actually stay, but I hope It’s enough. I like the change
I can only talk for myself. Since yesterday I lurk on Reddit but don’t really engage with it anymore other than that.
As soon as Apollo is gone, even that will go away. I don’t know if I will stay on Lemmy, only time will tell even tho I hope so. But my active days on Reddit are ending right now.
Any amount will push lemmy closer to mainstream, so it’s always a good thing. The world won’t stop going into an anti-privacy and anti-freedom direction over night, so we might be looking at some exponential growth after the wave of new users.
I wouldn’t say we’re all here. The statistics really don’t show that unfortunately
I definetly didn’t write clearly, sry :p
I meant that everyone on this thread is already on board. I just hope people actually stay in Lemmy
I officially left reddit. Totally done with it. I remember when the Digg exodus happened. No one thought things would turn out the way it did for Digg. There will always be users on reddit, and who knows, maybe they will use AI to aggregate content to fill the void for those who have left. It’s all about the targeted ads in the end; they don’t care who submits content, they care about the views.
I would love to be a fly on the wall come July. If the advertisers start to pull their spots, the earth may rumble just a tad
Two Wpromote clients canceled two premium, takeover-style campaigns that were supposed to launch this week
“Takeover” campaigns are getting canceled. I wonder which blacked out subs were going to be taken over with ads this week.
Wait, the advertisers have campaigns to take over subreddits? What?!
Apparently “premium, takeover-style” campaigns are a thing that reddit sells to its advertisers. TIL The article says that the campaigns will relaunch next week after the delay.
Blood… reaching… boiling point…
What do you think the unblockable “He Gets Us” bullshit is?
Oh hell fucking no, if they start doing that reddit is for sure dead
They have been doing this since March 2020.
Source: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/introducing-reddits-new-offering-for-advertisers-trending-takeover/
I’m aware, With this new article it seems they are going to become much more aggressive with ads and I expect them to get rid of old.reddit in the future to force even more ads on people with this change.
Not literally take over a subreddit, takeover advertising campaigns are typically a high-key screen space domination type of advertising. Think of something like a video games news site where the homepage is completely covered in advertising for a new, high budget game. Ads at the top, ads at the bottom, ads in the normally-empty margins, and often a focus on articles about the subject.
How that reflects to Reddit I’d never know, it’s likely something that’s exclusive to the newer layout that I have no interest in using.
And that’s why they will get rid of old.reddit. If they are cutting third party apps to increase ad revenue, then they will do the same with old.reddit
This type of advertising is the death-knell of any site, because at that point you’re interacting with an advert with some extra elements rather than a site with ads.
I’m of the opinion that it has a time and a place, but I do agree that it’s exceptionally intrusive to the site’s normal experience and should be very rare and short-lived. Any more than a day and its runs afoul of the people who just aren’t interested.
I am/was? A moderator of r/NintendoDE, still backed out, until they take us over or comply with the demands.
Probably we’ll be taken over at some point, but I feel like Reddit has lost its place for me, and a large part of the trust that I out there too.
long live lemmy 💙
It’s hard to stay dark when the admins can put admin-friendly mods in charge of subs.
That’s fine let reddit shittify itself further. Whoever they replaced them with is gonna do reddit bidding that is unless they turn on reddit, regardless its not going to return reddit to its former self.
The next problem are the users that refuse to move away from Reddit. I’ve seen comments on subreddits that re-opened that say its not a big deal to them because they use the app. I guess people love getting fucked in the ass by these corporations
They can try but without the moderation tools at the core of the issue, the subs will be inundated with bot spam till it dies. There will never be enough admins with free time to replace all the unpaid moderators let alone their knowledge. Not to mention doing a hostile takeover of subs without any understanding of each community’s values will serve only to piss off more people.
Besides cashing out a dying platform, there is no winning for Reddit if they keep this up.
They are going to use AI surely?
Is AI capable of this? My gut is that there is still too much nuance for AI to be successful, that it won’t be able to adapt to changing circumstances as a subreddit community evolves for example. Are we at that point with AI technology?
undefined> Are we at that point with AI technology?
I don’t see why not. Lots of companies are using AI chatbots now to replace CS agents. BT just sacked 4k CS agents for AI chat bots.
Imagine what it would be like if we strike this hard for fair wages.
Preach.
Holy Moly! Only 9000 of about 100000 Subs reportedly participate in the protest! Not even 10 percent! Ugh!
Considering only 374 (SFW) servers have over 1 Million users, the percentage of all servers is not really the important metric
Agreed, I am willing to bet the blackout reached at least 40-50% of users in some way.
Yeah try googling questions and you’ll see the results of the blackout. I’ve already had at least 3 questions that would’ve been answered by reddit, but when I clicked the link I couldn’t read it because the community was private
In b4 all the top mods get replaced and all the sub are un privated
To permanently impact reddit, the users and not the mods would need to remove thier own posts
Edit: only a few hrs after this comment, reddit started doing it. I’ve heard they started rollong back edit+deletes also, but as people call posts removed by mods “deleted” its not clear yet if its users own deletions being reverted.
This is one of my biggest fears of Reddit shutting down. The loss of information is going to be significant. Even the wayback machine doesn’t have as many archived posts as it seemed to before now.
I had to put a block on the reddit domain on my searxng instance so I could find stuff without wasting time.
. Pretty impressive (and impactful hopefully).
On Monday, Reddit’s ad manager encountered a brief outage, during which buyers were unable to look at reporting statistics, even while impressions were still delivering, though the impact was fairly minimal, per four sources. (The Verge reported the moderator blackout crashed the site, although it’s unclear whether the crashes are related).
So the site was down for quite a bit of time but the ad related stuff was just a minor hiccup?
Priorities
If I were world dictator I would just make advertising illegal. It’s the perfect dictator move. Simple policy that’s hard to enforce which will almost certainly have unintended consequences. But God damn do I hate advertising.
Your wish has been granted, all small businesses have gone bankrupt because nobody knows they exist and since the only form of advertising left is undercover guerilla advertising campaigns every post on every platform is secretly an advertisement!
Ahh! Oh no! Who could have ever foreseen these consequences??
oh no
I think people should be allowed to promote products and services, but those promotions should not be given any more weight than any other kind of post. The problem is when advertisers are allowed to buy spots on a site.
Wouldn’t that just turn into who can afford the most vote manipulation on their reddit posts?
Isn’t that how it works now anyway, in addition to regular ads?
You’re not wrong!
sadly adverts are what allows some things to be free to consumers, it’s the funding that supports the content that people consume. It’s what it is for now, in the future maybe there would be better merit systems funded by tax or something if humans get together and stop being greedy.
It is such a bizarre and creepy industry, everything about it is gross. I support you for world dictator!
The problem is that it is basically impossible to clearly differentiate from reviews which are a good and necessary thing. Pay someone to review your product and what now?
don’t complain if all the free service become paid…
I honestly think I’d prefer that they just let me pay them outright rather than trying to use me as bait for advertisers. The expectation that everything should be free leads to what we see today
meh, good point but i’d prefer some reasonably placed ad (not like those website that have 99% ad and 1% content) instead of paying for something that maybe i’ll never use again
Yea I wouldn’t mind If some of these instances had like one stickied post at the top for a paid ad If that was enough to pay for most of these server costs
I agree with you.
You ever though about where the money from advertisers comes from? I would pay for Google if I would then pay less for products that waste money on “marketing” by paying millions to Google.
The thing is that there aren’t significant direct production costs per user for technology services like there are for material items, just overall maintenance costs that only scale noticeably with a large increase of new users, so it would actually be possible to pay for infrastructure and salary costs and all of that with just a percentage of your overall userbase being subscribed and subsidizing the rest. This is actually a monetization strategy that’s working out for some privacy focused services like ProtonMail. So it would be necessary to convince some users to sign up but not necessarily all of them.
The public broadcasting model.
Shout out to KEXP.org
