• strawberry_enjoyer42@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    29·
    13 天前

    I hate it with a burning passion. It causes irreparable climate harm, including self-hosted models (consider where they’re trained); it infringes copyright (and they’re destroying rare books to feed it‽‽‽); it’s causing psychosis in some people, leading them to harm themselves and others; and it’s destroying a lot of people’s critical thinking skills (which I think is the goal: commodify intelligence, though maybe it’s to replace the working-class itself).

    Sorry for the massive block of text lol, I just really, really don’t like it.

    Oh, also (very anectdotal), it seems that on the Venn diagram of anti-fascist and anti-“AI”, the anti-“AI” circle is almost entirely contained within the anti-fascist circle. Just an observation.

    Disclaimer: machine learning is not the same as “AI” (LLMs, presented as beings capable of thought). I think ML has a lot of interesting applications, and I’m actually rather fascinated by it.

    • jjj@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      1·
      6 天前

      machine learning is not the same as “AI” (LLMs, presented as beings capable of thought)

      (insert nerd face) LLMs are a kind of machine learning algorithm. AI is actually a superset of ML, in fact pretty much all computer programs count as AI. (a lot of old computer science departments were once called AI research departments in stead)

      The phrase “AI”, as promoted by tech bros, however, should be considered seperately to the correct definition: I agree that software is generally harmful when presented this way by its creators.

      • strawberry_enjoyer42@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        2·
        6 天前

        This kind seems like it’s basically what I said? I think there’s too much ambiguity around the term “artifical intelligence”. When I said “AI” (with quotation marks), I was referring to the tech bros’ “gen-AI”.

        I disagree, however, with the idea that artificial intelligence is superset of machine-learning. While all computers were once considered a form of artificial intelligence, the same cannot be said now.

        The idea of artificial intelligence is quite nebulous. I can’t recall the source, but I’ve heard that even the loom was once considered to be akin to the human brain. Honestly, I think humans just like comparing new technology to our brains, and we’ll eventually move past referring to machine-learning as artificial intelligence.

        *adjusts glasses*

        • jjj@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          2·
          6 天前

          This kind seems like it’s basically what I said?

          My mistake, I associated what you said as

          (machine learning) is not the same as (“AI” (LLMs, presented as beings capable of thought))

          (aka LLMs aren’t ML) rather than

          machine learning is not the same as “AI” e.g. (LLMs, presented as beings capable of thought)

          (aka LLMs are ML, and when presented as a replacement for humans they are AI)

          Either way, I believe there is some value in comparing even simple decision making technology to the human brain. After all, we are capable of making those sorts of decisions as well. Tbf I may be biased by my internal mental model of coding, where I imagine describing a set of steps, relations, abstractions, etc to an entity with an extremely direct manner of interpretation.

          My personal moral of (seemingly malicious) language ambiguity is to avoid the term AI altogether.

          Thanks for the discussion!

          • strawberry_enjoyer42@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            2·
            6 天前

            My personal moral of (seemingly malicious) language ambiguity is to avoid the term AI altogether.

            Oh, it’s definitely malicious.

            Tbf I may be biased by my internal mental model of coding, where I imagine describing a set of steps, relations, abstractions, etc to an entity with an extremely direct manner of interpretation.

            Interesting. I’m unsure what my internal mental model of coding is. I guess I just kinda… feel the code? I wonder if it’s because I’m autistic, but things like programming and mathematics feel very natural and intuitive to me. They’re logical, predictable, and rule-based.

            Thanks for the discussion!

            Likewise: this has been such a pleasant internet interaction; a rare occurance.

  • ZDL@lazysoci.alEnglish
    26·
    14 天前

    I think it is amazing that techbrodudes managed to figure out how to automate the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

    • MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      10·
      13 天前

      Yes, exactly! I don’t think AI is very hard to learn; I don’t think people who abstain from it “will fall behind” in their lives and careers. Wow, use a plain-language interface instead of the more complex boolean, then add specificity to the query and hope it doesn’t hallucinate. So hard. So complex. You’re so smart, AI bros. /s

      • sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        13 天前

        Agentic AI is more difficult to learn than the chat bot. And that’s where the real value is - so expect to see more pressure there. People who refuse to learn that piece will struggle over time. Its like refusing to use a word processor when those first came out. Probably ok for a bit. Detrimental in the long run.

        • MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          5·
          13 天前

          I don’t really agree, at least for the people using agentic AI at the end-user level and not programming the models, and think the difficulty of agentic AI gets exaggerated as well. It’s the same concepts on a wider scale. Multistage and automated operations in software predate AI in one way or another and people have adapted fine, to the extent where it will take a relatively small amount of professional development to catch up if needed.

          Edit: Sorry, didn’t mean to spam this comment! Having site issues at the moment. Will delete the redundant comments when I can.

          • sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            13 天前

            Woops, I think my point got lost in my pre coffee thoughts: People are going to have to learn how to build agents at the personal and team levels - being an end user won’t be enough. Those that refuse to learn, will put their jobs at risk (eventually).

            • MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              3·
              13 天前

              Unless companies make bespoke software tools or SaaS programs for different industries that use agentic AI, which I think is likely since there are many industry-specific software tools made externally in B2B contexts, AI and predating AI. There’s already paid AI tools everywhere of debateable levels of value and usefulness.

              Non-programmer employees being expected to build agents may happen, but there’s too much of a value proposition for external companies to forgo it. And there’s also a possibility of companies bringing in contract programmers who develop those agents, or using in-house IT departments.

              We’re currently in a really awkward early adoption phase where end-users are being given open-ended LLM and agent tools to just play around with, and with or without a crash, I do see the industry shift toward better software integration where the end-users won’t have to adopt this makeshift developer role. And then the adjustment period would be simple as AI tools start to look more like regular software that’s quick to pick up with minimal risk of skills gaps or being left behind.

              I could be wrong, of course, but that’s basically my read on the situation.

              • sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                13 天前

                Agentic AI is interesting because it has the opportunity to create competitive advantage that other companies cannot replicate. And that’s the promise. Yeah, you can pay someone to build a custom agent, but it’s $50k+ plus maintenance for one agent - and it just doesn’t scale. It’s way cheaper to train up your team who can build many agents.

                Companies that delay or avoid training their teams are in for a bad surprise when a new company built around the technology enters the market. It will be one an existential problem that will result in job loss (think Amazon vs brick and mortar).

                My general recommendation for workers is to get trained up on agent building - then go get a job at a company investing in their people, because those are the places most likely to survive.

                • ZDL@lazysoci.alEnglish
                  1·
                  13 天前

                  Of course all this will collapse when the bills come due and people have to pay the actual cost of LLM “tokens”. As users of Microsoft’s Copilot found out not long ago.

              • sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                13 天前

                Oh my goodness yes. I recommend both stockpiling toilet paper and learning how to build agents. That way you won’t be wrong. 😉

    • Okokimup@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      13 天前

      I don’t think that’s fair. AI always apologizes and admits it gave me bad information.

  • applebusch (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    24·
    14 天前

    theres no such thing as ai in the way people imagine. we have chat bots and copyright infringement machines some assholes coopted the term ai to pedal. i wish it would fuck off. it rots peoples brains and turns them into delusional idiots incapable of independent thought. every time you say that they come out of the woodwork to justify their particular use and try to claim their use of it is cool and good, but really none of them are. whatever people use it for it makes them worse at doing it themselves. its being used for everything people can shoehorn it into and making all of those things worse. this is to say nothing of the large amount of negatives the data centers and privacy violations bring along for the ride. thats all i have to say without waxing political, so suffice to say i think its almost entirely downside.

    machine learning however is an awesome field of research being used to solve real, complex and difficult problems. its exciting to see what it will be used for next outside the aforementioned chatbots and slop generators.

    • LadyButterfly she/her@piefed.blahaj.zoneOPMEnglish
      2·
      13 天前

      I think that’s a really important distinction. It’s a fast moving field as well and right now we’re early on. It has a lot of incredible applications that could really help people, so I really dont think it should be written off.

      • ZDL@lazysoci.alEnglish
        1·
        12 天前

        LLMs, like every AI tech before them (you know, the ones that aren’t called AI anymore because they actually do useful things and are now called “speech recognition” or “OCR” or “translation software” or “chess engines” or such in accordance with Tessler’s Theorem), will wind up in a small ghetto of actual utility (my money is on translation being a big feature, though it will require human checking) once the hype has worn down, the actual cost of running one is tallied and people flee using them en masse as a result. When that day comes, it may actually help people.

        That day hasn’t come, and it won’t come at all while Silly Con Valley techbrodouches keep trying to cram it uncomfortably into each and every one of humanity’s collective orifices in a vain attempt to force us to like it.

        Right now it’s shit and it won’t get better until techbrodouches are removed from it.

  • Rose@slrpnk.netEnglish
    15·
    14 天前

    LLMs etc are very fascinating technology and if they had remained research projects and marginally promoted tools for niche uses, I would not have had any problems with them.

    But no, technobros were like “oh this will make us a lot of money” and unleashed an unfathomable Hell on earth with unfathomable sociopolitical ramifications. Thanks.

  • Lumelore (She/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    11·
    13 天前

    Looking at it now, it’s obviously very bad, but I remember being very fascinated with GPT2 because it was amusingly bad, but I was also very naïve. I didn’t understand just how bad ai is and how much worse it would become.

    I hate to say it, but I have occasionally used it for programming and it definitely made me a worse programmer. Earlier this year I stopped using it completely and I can tell that I’ve been getting better. I keep hearing people say they’re using ai “responsibly” to catch bugs and speed up tedious tasks and I thought that’s what I was doing too until I stopped using it and realized just how much of my thinking I had surrendered over to the machine.

    • jjj@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      2·
      6 天前

      I appreciate that sentiment, and much more the indication that I’m not mistaken to choose the “never deliberately run the output of an LLM” path.

  • Wren@lemmy.todayEnglish
    9·
    13 天前

    Since a lot of people already covered my opinions, I’ll toss in my unique experience with AI.

    A buddy of mine made up a program where users can create and access uncensored AI chatbots. They come complete with Pictures (AI art,) Voices (created based on uploaded samples,) and a personality you could write yourself in plain language.

    Years ago this blew my mind. If I got stuck on writers block I could create a character and ask it questions about its motivations and next steps. Harmless, right? No, not really, but that’s not my point.

    That was until my friend asked me to help moderate the app and I saw what everyone else was using it for. Now, I’m not here to kinkshame, everyone should be able to get off however they want as long as it hurts no one, but I can’t help but imagine how brains are getting re-wired by these sycophantic porn fantasy bots, especially the ones made to be demeaned and subjugated. And that’s not to mention the child porn.

    I still moderate the app because we report users trying to create CSAM to their ISPs and in that way, hopefully, I’m doing some good. But it’s not hard to make and run local AI, so I wonder how much more of it is out there.

  • Hildegard (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    9·
    13 天前

    I despise ai and refuse to use them. They ruin everything they touch. I can’t use the internet to learn things anymore without filtering by date to exclude post 2023 results. The concept of truth, meaning, or what is real is being degraded by the presence of ai.

    As a big fan of consent, I have many concerns with how ai companies get their training data.

    I’m delighted to see how passionate, researched, and eloquent so many of you are on this topic.

    • Sunshine@piefed.caEnglish
      1·
      12 天前

      Yeah with the phone scammers pretending to be your family or friends with the ai-slop.

      • ZDL@lazysoci.alEnglish
        2·
        12 天前

        This kind of thing is why I play my identity cards very close to my chest. I doubt AI-slop scammers could get enough good information about me to even IDENTIFY my family and/or friends well enough to imitate them.

  • minty@aussie.zoneEnglish
    7·
    14 天前

    I think its yet another technology that will further empower the wealthy and disenfranchise the average citizen. That said, interesting on a technical level lol.

  • MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    6·
    13 天前

    So many people 1) think of AI as their unpaid “personal assistant” and at the same time 2) think of AI chatbots as being women. I really hope AI doesn’t accidentally re-normalize the master/servant dynamic, and it may not, but it’s something to watch out for in the coming years.

    I work in a field (technical editing) that may be replaced by AI bosses overvaluing AI, but at the moment, my job is more necessary than ever because all my writers now insist on sending me slop instead of actually doing their jobs.

  • Malyca@lemmy.zipEnglish
    6·
    14 天前

    It has promise to help with many things and destroy many more things. Right now, it’s wrong more than right and expensive. One thing I’m glad of is so many companies have fired so many people, they went full mask off cartoon villains. People know exactly who’s evil and who’s not. While it’s devastating that so many people lost their income, we now know exactly who to never buy from.