Always stunning, Americans’ lack of self-awareness in that respect. But then again, the same happened in Europe centuries earlier and probably everywhere in the world at some point.
NB: We’re All Immigrants
Some people in Africa might be descendents of the people from whom all currently living people all over the world descended from some fifty thousand years ago.
Then again they could’ve immigrated to Africa from somewhere else sixty thousand years ago.
Countries and borders are a construct 🤷♂️Some people in Africa might be descendents of the people from whom all currently living people all over the world descended from some fifty thousand years ago.
Definitionally, that has to be true. If X are the descendants of everyone, some of “everyone” are in Africa, therefore “all people in Africa are descendants of the people all living people are descended from.”
In fact that would mean "
SomeAll peoplein Africamight beare descendents of the people from whom all currently living people all over the world descended from some fifty thousand years ago.Right but the people there now may be the descendants of the Bantu migrations, which displaced the indigenous people there before. (Not sure where exactly the “original” people are from so I’m just saying this hypothetically.)
Oh yeah, for sure (and we’re really simplifying “Africa” dude it’s so fucking big but…) it’s all migration all the way down. That’s honestly my entire point.
Honestly I’m pretty sure that before agrarian societies invented agriculture “humans” (which btw how exactly are we defining this) were nomadic by necessity, I’m not entirely sure anyone “knows” our origin localities by race or what exactly should be the “go back” defining line especially if we all spread from Africa as our current theories support.
In fact, actually that’s a good fucking point! If we all came from Africa at the end of the day, do I have to, as a white…I guess…African?.. Have to repatriate to Africa like Sizzla Kalonji (love him even if he hates me) advocates for “Africans” to do? as since I’m one of “everyone” I would qualify despite the color of my skin? Wouldn’t then, if everyone is descended from Africans (and afaik that actually is the current scientific consensus), everyone on the entire earth “need” to repatriate back to Africa?
It just makes no sense to me when broken down, IMO let everyone move where they want and they’re from where they were born even if they’re ethnically “X” and we’re all actually technically African.
But then again, the same happened in Europe centuries earlier and probably everywhere in the world at some point.
This is the thing that kills me about “white people give back stolen land and go back to Europe.”
Like, ok, I’m part British, part German, part French. Never been to any of the three, which one do I go “back” to then? And then, still can I? How do I know if I’m really Gaul, Norman, Vandal, Saxon, Beaker, hell even Roman? All of those occupied those regions at some point (and more, I’m sure, I need to learn more about Ye Olden Europe actually), which one am I (mostly, after half a fucking thousand years I’m sure I’m “mixed” if we’re splitting “white” like this) and then where were they originally from?
Like yes what happened 200yr ago was deplorable, but I was born like 30yr ago, tf you mean “go back,” to where?
“white people give back stolen land and go back to Europe.”
Is not a thing said many if any people say and when it is said it’s not meant literally. It’s meant to make a point.
I guess “define many” but it’s a common enough trope in the US, and you know that as evidenced by your acknowledgment that:
“when it is said it’s not meant literally. It’s meant to make a point.”
Which, also, which tribe are you speaking for? Do you belong to that tribe? Are you empowered to speak for their entire community?
And why doesn’t that logic apply from the land the Saxons stole from the Celts, exactly?
Which, also, which tribe are you speaking for? Do you belong to that tribe? Are you empowered to speak for their entire community?
What the fuck.
People say things which aren’t meant literally. I cannot teach you that if you don’t know it.
No u what the fuck, if you’re not a part of the Native American population why do you get to prescribe literality or figurality (made up two words just now) of their statements? Seems presumptive to me tbh, unless you are a part of their population but AFAIK there’s no “what the fuck” tribe so I doubt that was you answering my question (I hope you don’t need the /s to feel the sarcasm flow through your screen.)
Look, people like this actually exist (9min mark). I’m talking about “people who agree that white people should move back to Europe” specifically, and why they are wrong. He goes on to offer a couple weak alternatives to decolonization, but those suggestions aren’t even close to being actual figuative explanations of “go back to europe” (and he’s just as white as I assume you are, so, until we get someone native in here…)
Black Israelites are wrong too, and a minority, does that mean I can’t say anyone who believes in Jakub is an absolute fucking moron? Nope, they’re dumb as hell.
What the fucking shit are you talking about? NO ONE SAYS GO BACK TO EUROPE. “No one” meaning 99.99999999999% of people. When the occasional person does say it, it is said only to racists to illustrate how their racism comes across.
So given your bizarre weirdo fucking takes here and the fact that you’re strangely hung up on this, you are basically telling me you are a racist who has heard this more than a couple of times, due to your racism. Now, go the fuck away, racist twat.
Yes yes.
thing is said
thing is repeated by others
“I disagree with thing”
“they didn’t mean thing literally.”
well then don’t say “thing,” or create more clearly intentional metaphors that can’t be taken literally ffs
And no it isn’t “only to racists to illustrate how their racism comes across” that statement requires more proof than mine which you’ve already admitted is “a metaphorical” reality.
So given your bizarre weirdo fucking takes here and the fact that you’re strangely hung up on this, you are basically telling me you are a racist who has heard this more than a couple of times, due to your racism. Now, go the fuck away, racist twat.
No, you’re projecting that based on your preconceived notions of what I’m supposed to be, based on me disagreeing literally with an argument you presuppose isn’t literal. The only difference is I take it literally and you don’t and imo neither of us has the authority to make that call. You think you do have the right to decide what they mean literally or figuratively, I take their words at face value.
So if someone kills that guy and takes his stuff he was conquered by his superior.
No one is illegal on stolen land.
Land of the free was a promise that we can still keep.
I agree on both points, especially the second – if a visitor to my region can do my job better, then they’re the best plan for my job.
Will I try and prevent that? Sure. I like eating and having a place to sleep . But we all know they’re better for everyone if they conquer my job.
Not to mention that the “job stealing” rhetoric has always not been borne out by the facts.
