Hey ML, where ya at to defend this? CIA bullshit again? lol
Can you tell me why do you think this law is bad?
It bans acts that “undermine ethnic unity or create ethnic division” among China’s 56 officially recognized ethnicities
Should we strive for divisions among ethnicities? Like burgerland?
That talk about ethnic unity sounds a bit right wingery
It’s just the same old ML supporting ethnic cleaning when it’s what they’re told to support.
Ah nice, you don’t know how to reply and start inventing shit. Very smart discussion. Still waiting to know how the law is bad eh… (͡•_ ͡• )
You don’t know if you support this or not? Sounds like you heard “China” and came to argue without having a personal view. Before I answer your questions, I need to know where you stand on it. Or do you not have individual thoughts and feelings?
‘This is ethnic cleansing.’
‘Yeah but why’s it bad?’
Peak tankie take
The law says it’s ethnic cleansing or is it your fantasy interpretation? Mmm 🤔
The same right wings that tells you to hate brown people? These unity talk you mean? 🫤
The same one talking about ethnic unity within their preferred groups yeah
Within and among are different words in English with different meanings but ok.
I’m guessing it’s a translation issue since the law mandates using Mandarin etc
Yes, as a main language not as only language. Again here English language did a trick ehehe sneaky little education…
Yes, like American bigots screaming ‘love it or leave it,’ and ‘stand for the flag, kneel for the cross,’ or other demands to adopt an identity rooted in American nationality with allegiance to ethnic majority culture.
The ones trying to make the majority language the only official primary language, even in communities where yeehaw jingoism has done considerable damage, or outright stolen entire nations’ worth of land.
The ones eager to project that, globally, as if sovereignty is when you get to say what people do in other countries.
It is bad because out of China’s 56 officially recognized ethnicities, 55 are suppressed, and this law makes everything worse.
55 are suppressed
I guess the source is your cousin living there right?
this law makes everything worse
…by reasons that can’t be explained. Ok, cool. Good talk.
why is having an identity that isn’t common considered division?
You guys really don’t know how to read. Nowhere in the article it says that they ban or consider it a “division” being of a different ethnicity other than the main one, you just made shit up.
I’m literally replying to your quote from the article?
did you read the article?
Organizations and individuals outside mainland China that “undermine” ethnic unity or “create ethnic division” will also be held liable, the law says – a broad-based stipulation that critics say will impact activism, research and discussion of ethnic minority issues globally.
if you are held legally liable that means your not allowed to do the thing. how is that not a ban?
if you are held legally liable that means your not allowed to do the thing. how is that not a ban?
Re-read the sentence but slowly. Yes, you are held legally accountable if you create divisions among or undermine the 56 different officially recognised ethnicities.
The same way the US or Russia or Israel (and their agency and organisations) should be held responsible for instigating divisions in other countries. That’s really it.
It’s “”banning”” foreign interference in the social and ethnic fabric of the country. Oh no!! Can you imagine the US without Israeli interference? People would be forced to think by themselves!!
You can spin it and call it what you want, but you can’t change reality. Unfortunately for you this is not what the law we are discussing says.
And if you are thinking: “holdup, this is challenging my worldview too much! Is it possible that I’m wrong? No CNN must be right!” I have a lot of bridges to sell to you man.
Do you think it’s a good thing?
How promoting unity among ethnicities a bad thing? At least on paper yes I agree with it.
Is it okay when Israel does it?
They’ll never answer you in good faith because they’re hypocrites. They cry and scream about genocide, ethnic cleansing, and apartheid when Israel does it, but they’ll turn around and praise China for doing the same exact things.
The reality is that they have no morals, no values, and no principles. If Israel was Marxist by name and was anti-American to some degree, you’ll see these same exact types come out and defend Israel for fighting the CIA funded Palestinian color revolution and their terrorism against the liberated Israeli workers. Logical consistency is the biggest enemy of zealous tankies.
Bro what are you smoking? Ahahah did you just let the autocorrect reply? Wtf
So you don’t actually have your own thoughts and feeling on the subject? Do you or do you not support this law in China?
So you don’t know how to write or how to read. I already wrote my “feelings” above :/ do you want me to quote myself or you know how to search for it?
‘You will act just like the majority or be else’ is perfectly fine, says oppression understander.
What they mean by division is other cultures existing.
What they mean by unity is everyone acting like Beijing, or getting re-educated.
If you applied this to Burgerland it would mean Spanish is illegal and Muslims better watch their ass. Which you’d surely have no trouble condemning, since it’s obviously intolerable and the Bad Camp did it.
According to your special mind. In the meantime the law says something else. The other languages in china are not banned, you are just fabricating a reality you feel comfortable in. It’s okay boy, as long as you are happy, I’m happy :)
Walk us through what you think this law actually does.
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Sorry I don’t take questions from rude users who think they are right until their back is against the wall. You can go read the article, it’s in English.
The article that says they’re banning schools in other languages? Like we’re talking about, and you’re denying? You fraud?
You can weasel around and say it’s only the primary language, but that’s still banning schools… in other languages. It’s turning every identity besides Han + Mandarin into a secondary identity, barely tolerated, with oversight. It makes their existence conditional on ongoing state approval. That’s ethnic cleansing, fucknuts. That’s bloodless erasure of any local identity, where local can mean, the entirety of Tibet.
You don’t get to sneer ‘RTFA!’ when TFA opens with ‘loyalty to the party is mandatory.’
Hey no, no you are getting boring now, don’t do this to me bro.
Let’s do this game, I won’t reply anymore until you find me in the article the words “banning schools”. You said the article said it, please quote.
Maybe you are referring to this bit (?):
Under the new rules, schools and government agencies must use Mandarin Chinese as their primary language; classrooms must ensure that their curriculum “forges a strong sense of the community of the Chinese people,” and all parents must guide children to “love the Chinese Communist Party and the Chinese people.”
Unfortunately you refuse to understand the English language.
It’s turning every identity besides Han + Mandarin into a secondary identity, barely tolerated, with oversight. It makes their existence conditional on ongoing state approval. That’s ethnic cleansing.That’s bloodless erasure of any local identity, where local can mean, the entirety of Tibet.
This vomit is pure fabrication.
Bear in mind, I’m dog-walking all of you fucks using CNN AS A SOURCE. I didn’t even put my sources because you racists babies immediately start screaming “Aaaaa we only like white people newspaperrr!!! Everything else is propaganda!!”
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Don’t forget, cultural erasure is a form of genocide!
Remind me of Quebec forcing women to remove their hijab to be able to work in governmental jobs
These aren’t even remotely the same. Quebec has a secular government and therefore, public employees are not allowed to wear any religious symbols in an official capacity regardless of faith. People are free to wear whatever they want otherwise. The law is simple, universal, and only applies to very specific situations to maintain a specific principle. This Chinese law is not like that. It applies to every aspect of society at all times, and it specifically targets ethnic minorities for being different. The former is a normal law, the latter is a pretext for ethnic cleansing.
It is the same thing you restrict people right for an identity and belief system you decided to pick for everybody. Did Quebec consulted the first nations before imposing this. Real secularism is religion do not control the state and the state do not control the religion.
Not only this law target only known religions. There are thousannds of religion.It also do not prohibit people growing a beard for religion reason. This law cause division by growing rhe feeling of unferness that can lead to hate and violence.
The party quebecois and caq are racist parties rejecting multiculturalism like China does
No, the Quebec law and this Chinese law are not comparable. It’s an invalid comparison because the two laws aim to do fundamentally different things.
Quebec’s Bill 21 is very simple and straightforward law. The law basically does 3 overarching things:
- Face coverings ban - All public services have to provided and received without face coverings to ensure safety and neutrality. The only face covering allowed are ones required by the service provided or ones related health situations.
- Religious symbolism ban - This ban ONLY affects public employees in authoritative positions (school teachers, judges, prosecutors, police officers, prison guards, etc.) from wearing any object for religious purposes or is reasonably considered religious in nature while on active duty. This regulation only applies to wearables, it does to people’s bodies or what they choose to do with them. So things like tattoos of religious symbols, shaved heads, long beards, and even things like the Hindu bindis are not restricted in any way under this law.
- State secularism - The law officially declares Quebec to be a secular and neutral state, mandating that all public lands, property, institutions, and funds must be kept strictly secular. Meaning that schools funded with public dollars, can’t force religious diets on students (halal, kosher, etc), government agencies can’t be used to advocate for any religion, public spaces can’t be used for things like public calls for prayer.
Whether you agree or disagree with this law is irrelevant. What matters in this conversation is what it does and who it affects. This law exclusively applies to the state itself. In other words, this is law is just a reiteration of secularism in the province. It does not affect the general public, it does not impose on the private lives of any citizen, it does not target or favor any religion, and the entirety of the law is based universal secular principles. This law doesn’t restrict identities and beliefs, it protects them by making sure that the state respects all faiths equally and remains neutral.
The Chinese law is completely different. From what I gathered from this article and a couple others, the law does the following:
- All 56 recognized ethnic groups are required to assimilate into a single national identity based around the Han majority.
- Mandarin is now mandated to be the primary language of instruction in schools everywhere, thus removing the choice to teach in local languages.
- Educational curriculums must have heavy ideological elements that actively promote the Communist Party, Chinese patriotism, and strong sense of the Han Chinese identity.
- Parents are legally required to teach their kids to love the Communist Party and the Chinese people.
- Strictly prohibits any acts that are deemed “undermining ethnic unity” or “creating ethnic division”. This is kepty intentionally vague so the CCP can have a legal avenue to prosecute minority activists, dissenters, and independent cultural practices. Essentially setting the stage for ethnic cleansing.
- The CCP gave itself power to prosecute any Chinese organizations or individuals in diaspora around the globe that they deem to be undermining their efforts at ethnic unity. They’re basically claiming ownership of citizens of other countries just because they’re ethnically Chinese, thus overriding the soverignty of other countries.
This law is as draconian as it gets. The Chinese government wants to enforce the CCP approved version of the Han identity on everyone, everywhere, at all times by force. The law applies to public employees, private citizens in their private lives, and even to non citizens around the world. The CCP is not neutral, they are playing favorites with ethnicities, and they vocally want to erase the ethnicities that they don’t like.
This law is inherently different from the Quebec law. This law has nothing to do with secularism or religion, and it’s implementation and enforcement is completely different. These two laws aren’t comparable. This Chinese law is infinitely more tyrannical, insane, evil, and dangerous. It goes well past just being racist, this is some really spooky shit.
It is a valid comparison. Both have a dogmatic view of what an national identity is so they start make laws to false problems resulting real problem of unfairness and restricting freedom leading to less unity and more hate.
Bill 96 also restrict anglophone rights and ignore first nstions languages.
The leader of PQ literally admit to believe in the great replacement
Quebecker here: our secularism law is shit and I have the right to join, donate to, volunteer and vote for a political party that advocates for abolishing. Will be doing so in a couple of months actually. And my party’s MPs will be able to go in the Assemblée Nationale and bring up the issue.
If I were leaving under the Chinese system I wouldn’t be able to do any of those things.
I appreciate the effort and we should do effort regardless of how improbable it is to happen. In short term there is nothing we can do. A system that allow you to speaks but never listen to you is better than an authoritarian regime that may jail you for your demands but it is still bad.
Sometimes we are still very close to Chinese oppression tactics like during the 2012 Quebec student protests
Not the same thing really, In Quebec, the government is strictly secular, so government officials also cannot wear crucifixes either.
If that woman was forced to wear a cross instead, then it would be similar.
It is the same thing you restrict people right for an identity you decided to pick for everybody. Did Quebec consulted the first nations before imposing this. Real secularism is religion do not control the state and the state do not control the religion.
Forced to wear or forced not to wear is the same thing
The party quebecois and caq are racist parties rejecting multiculturalism like China
Laicite is not secularism. The American government (in theory) is strictly secular, but that means they can’t tell employees not to do religious shit on their own time. A state employee with an unremarkable necklace or a headscarf is not the state pushing that religion on you, any more than a bare neck and visible ears are pushing irreligion on you.
came here to read unhinged comments, was not disappointed
Dude unironically tried to defend it lol
