- cross-posted to:
- sino@hexbear.net
- cross-posted to:
- sino@hexbear.net
The world is finally seeing the REAL USA. And they don’t like it.
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China is probably nowhere near as batshit crazy as the US, at least not openly and as shamelessly.
At least china tries to cover up its genocide of Uyghurs and imperialism. But it’s also not a haven. It’s going after Taiwan.
The Alberta separatism thing has influenced my opinion on the Xinjiang Uyghur situation. Providing a decent standard of living for >1,400,000,000 is a big undertaking, no one in human history has come even close. Absolute individual liberty sounds good on the surface, but at what cost?
If you have a small, but very disruptive minority of your population who have made it clear that they would rather tear your country apart than integrate into your established social fabric and norms, what do you do? Isolation and re-education seems like a reasonable, and humane option. Extermination or expulsion would be much easier solutions; investing the time and resources to improve material conditions while also giving people the opportunity to be rehabilitated seems like a preferable alternative.
I see a lot of people very critical of China’s Sinicization campaign; but at the same time I also see growing instability in most other culturally diverse nations. Ideological extremism is on the rise, anti-immigration sentiment plagues many other developed nations, and I have yet to see systems or proposed solutions which I think can scale to the extent required for a population of 50,000,000… Let alone billions.
Did you just… justify genocide on the grounds of “disruption”?
What’s described as “re-education” is essentially ethnic cleansing. This is disgusting. It’s not “rehab”, it’s inhumane mistreatment
These are right-wing nationalist/conservative talking points.
That’s certainly a bombastic and alarmist strawman.
I have seen a great deal of propaganda, but I have seen no compelling evidence of genocide. Quite the contrary, China has actually been very transparent about Xinjiang, and MANY people from the west have visited the region and provided extensive documentary evidence which contradicts the narrative
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Go back to your den genocide-denying Chinese bot.
If you’re not interested in a good faith discussion that’s fine, you can just say that like an adult.
I wish I could live in your black and white world, but unfortunately I’ve seen enough of the real one to understand that things are rarely as simple as internet trolls think they should be…
Have a good one.
Calling China imperialist for an invasion that hasn’t even happened is hilarious.
What’s hilarious is your failed attempt at a counterargument. Strawman, really.
I didn’t say China is imperialist because it’s planning to invade Taiwan.
China has historically been, and remains imperialist.
Well what in the hell else could you be referring to by calling China imperialist? They haven’t spent decades invading and destroying countries thousands of miles away, in fact they suffered a century of subjugation at the hands of western powers and Japan.
Maybe the genocide of the Uyghur people, for one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_imperialism
Just because they suffered humiliation by another country doesn’t make them innocent.
I mean…they aren’t wrong. We are a threat, because we’ve let the entire government become corrupt to the core.
It’s not like the US really changed much. Random regime changes and gunboat diplomacy were always their thing.
I agree, it is just that the US has now dropped any pretext of being a “rule of law” country, other than the law of the jungle, might makes right. The mask has slipped, the curtain pulled slightly back.
Anyone who has been paying attention to what has been happening for the last 250 years is not surprised.
I have never been a big fan of the chinese government but right now I prefer them aw well.
I don’t think preferring China would be the correct answer. Without the US as a counterbalance, I wouldn’t be surprised if they also got a lot more brazen and did what they wanted to do much as the US is doing.
