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AI is digital trash.
Not only is the tech itself trash for what it is being used for, the marketing promotes using it to bypass all of the steps that make a normal process work.
Vomit out some AI slop and handing it out without any kind of review process bypasses the steps where someone would normally catch human errors or misunderstandings. But since AI is promoted as outputting the final result instantly people aren’t looking at the details and what is why there is so much slop.
the marketing promotes using it to bypass all of the steps that make a normal process work
That’s because nobody would adopt it otherwise.
The best part is this is as good as the AI slop will get. Knowledge, digitally anyway, via search, peaked about 2 years ago. Primary source information will still be valid digitally…unless authors incorporate slop into their work, which will take dedication and care to do.
If they used care and dedication they could make the fancy autocomplete return factual information now.
Only if the training set consists 100% of factual information that is internally consistent.
They could use reliable sources to approach 100% instead of jamming literally everything in. For example, limiting the training data to peer reviewed papers would not be exactly 100% but it would be a lot closer than including all of reddit.
happy cake day!
Adopting untested solutions almost always ends in tears.
And the output of an LLM is a nightmare to properly test, and to some extent it’s not testable at all because its results are not repeatable and there’s no explainability.
I’m a bit stuck at what to do. It’s not going anywhere, but students seem to be worse at communicating from my experience. I don’t want to fall to confirmation bias so I won’t say I know that’s a broad truth, but it’s been my experience.
I’m hearing a lot of Universities, not just in California, are embracing it. Often policy is just that students have to note the use of AI but then it’s okay as university policies. Professors can still say no in their syllabus, but how long will that be a thing for plus it doesn’t deter from my experience.
I think we need to do a lot of research into how to ensure reluctant learners can be taught with AI being a thing. I know for a lot of writing heavy classes they have turned to physical writing in the classroom.
If you want to let ai do your thinking for you be my guest. More knowledge for me when I use it to learn. How about fix the testing procedures so they test your ability to use ai to solve complex problems in your field. You know, something ai is good at but won’t do for you?
I actually think it is going to change in the next 3-6 months. Anthropic just filed for IPO, and I believe openAI is gonna do the same soon as well. Being publicly traded comes with mandatory reporting on a lot of stuff they haven’t really shared fully yet, and the profit margins are gonna go under a microscope… except that you can see what’s wrong with the profit margins with the naked eye.
They’re gonna jack up the prices for LLM usage like crazy in the coming months, and it’s gonna start being a huge paywall to people using it. For students, it’s gonna go from convenient to prohibitively expensive virtually overnight. I think the problem in the educational domain may solve itself.
Amazon ran for many years post-IPO with no profit. Now they’re profitable and far into rent-seeking mode. It’s a well-understood strategy when the goal is to grab market share.
What about cheaper llms from other locales? It’s hard to imagine the government blocking access writ large, though I’m sure many in this administration salivate at the thought.
This isn’t about anyone blocking access like censorship. This is an economic issue. The LLM companies are all hemorrhaging cash, and none of them have a clear or realistic path to profitability.
This is an economic issue
Agreed.
and it’s gonna start being a huge paywall to people using it.
What happens when we can buy access to a Singaporean or French LLM on the cheap as the US monoliths raise this paywall?
Then everyone uses that provider for a few month and they have to raise prices as well or go bankrupt.
They’ll lobby to prevent you from doing that, and will try strangling the Singaporeans and Frenchies with intellectual-property lawsuits.
I’m pretty sure French AI companies (and maybe the others) will have to raise their prices. There is no magical alternative.
That’s… not how LLM infrastructure works.
Yep, this person did not take DeepSeek into account.
I wouldn’t put it past them banning it once they see how much it’s kicking their asses though
It’s not a question of how good or bad the LLM is, it’s a question of watt hours and bandwidth. It takes a certain amount of electricity to run so your prices and profit margins are directly correlated with the price of electricity.
LLMs run out of data centers with cheap electricity and cheap bandwidth are going to be the cheapest ones on the market. For electricity this would typically be places with cheap renewables nearby like large hydroelectric plants. Bandwidth is a little trickier as there’s not as obvious an indicator of where bandwidth is cheap and plentiful but typically it’s going to be near major population centers. Putting those together there’s probably only a small handful of locations in the world where it’s economically viable to run these data centers.
It takes a certain amount of electricity to run
That’s not a constant across all LLMs. There are big differences between LLMs in how much inference you get per watt-hour.
I’ve seen a lot of colleges buying their students subs to one of the major LLM’s. So maybe come new semester that will change but it depends on the timing.
I hope you’re right. I have half expected AI to be dealt to students in the way every student gets Office 365.
I am just nervous is all. Maybe each “Student” profile gets a set number of tokens but you can upgrade to “Student+” for more. I joke but I’m scared.
The only company making money on this shit at the moment is Nvidia. That’s it. None of the companies that are actually doing the model development and deployment are making money - they’re hemorrhaging cash, in fact. They have no clear or realistic path to profitability, either.
The only company making money on this shit at the moment is Nvidia.
I’ll bet the people running the data centers are coining it too.
I will say AI has been an accessibility boon for ESL students, who regularly show the most depth in work I’ve seen.
The result has been chaos
and all the chaos was human fallacy.
i read the article to see how ai was causing issues and it was all - the people in charge - they spent a whole bit of of money, fired some people, shoved on everyone and no kne knew it was coming. there was no giidance given.
That’s literally all AI’s problems. AI isn’t evil, it’s the people and the way it’s being done.
Gamers hate AI because it has skyrocketed hardware prices and dropped game quality and fired people
Artists hate AI because it has oversaturated markets and people use it to mass steal IP
Workers hate AI because it isn’t very good, they can’t get jobs because employers are obsessed with AI right now
And most people hate AI because it threatens our way of life without any governments fighting the billionaire ai owners or protecting us from outdated capitalism rather than switching to socialism
So yes, it’s literally chaos as a ton of ignorant and/or evil people try to put half baked bullshit over on society, and the population is gonna have to swallow the shitty consequences at every step of the way
