• turdas@suppo.fi
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    5 months ago

    According to Wikipedia this planet has an estimated surface gravity of 12.43 m/s2 with a margin of error of about 2 m/s2. That’s only up to 50% higher than Earth’s 9.8 m/s^2 (on the high end of the error margin) so it probably would be possible to get into orbit.

    That said we don’t actually know much about it for sure. We don’t know if it’s a terrestrial planet for example. It could be composed mostly of gases and liquids like Neptune.

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      5 months ago

      (Not a rocket scientist or mathematician, but I spent 100s of hours playing KSP RP-1)

      Just doing some estimates using data from the wikipedia page:

      The dV (delta-V) needed to get into low Earth orbit is around 9.4km/s.
      The dV for K2-18b might be around 19km/s, more than double that of Earth’s.

      It’s practically impossible I think, you would need such a massive launch vehicle. For double the dV, you would need exponentially more fuel assuming current rocketry tech (fuel+oxidizer tanks and engines). There wouldn’t be any single-stage or two-stage rockets that could do this. With a 3 or 4 stage rocket maybe? But you would be sending nearly 100% fuel off the launchpad with virtually zero payload.

      Check out the “tyranny of the rocket equation”. The more propellant you need to lift heavier rockets, the more propellant you need to lift that extra propellant and so on and so on.

      I tried to factor in:

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      • Atmospheric drag - K2-18b’s atmosphere is quite dense with a huge radius:

      The density of K2-18b is about 2.67+0.52/−0.47 g/cm3—intermediate between that of Earth and Neptune—implying that the planet has a hydrogen-rich envelope. […] Atmosphere makes up at most 6.2% of the planet’s mass

      • Since the atmosphere is so thick and takes up a lot of mass, I’ve picked 500km as the low orbit altitude (comparing to Earth’s ~100km Karman line, it makes you appreciate how thin our atmosphere is ).

      • Rotational assist - I’m assuming it’s tidally locked since it orbits so closely to its star (33 day years), and so you wouldn’t get the assist from rotation like you do on Earth:

      The planet is most likely tidally locked to the star, although considering its orbital eccentricity, a spin-orbit resonance like Mercury is also possible.

  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    5 months ago

    Imagine a terrestrial planet that is Earthlike in all respects, but it simply has more persistent cloud cover, such that seeing an open cloudless sky is miraculously unlikely, as unlikely as humans directly witnessing an asteroid impact.

    No ground based astronomy.

    No technological discoveries or culture that derives from ground based astronomy.

    No celestial navigation on the ground.

    Very different / stunted / more difficult cartography.

    Technological civilization is capable of emerging, but it would not be able to well understand anything beyond the terra firma, not untill it generated aircraft capable of breaching the cloud cover layer, and then developed airborne observatories.

    • 🍉 DrRedOctopus 🐙🍉@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      I wrote and tried publishing a short story about a species like that.

      where only occasionally people on top of mountains see stars, and they chuck it as a consequence of low pressure. eventually they invented flight, and assume pilots going high enough to see stars are having cognitive issues due to lack of air.

      They asked pilots to draw the stars they see, and they get different drawings (they sent pilots at different times of the year because they couldn’t ever expect stars to shift) and assume its proof that thise stars are a cognitive artifact.

      Eventually a pilot swears they are real and can actually use then to navigate, skepticism, he proves it. brand new research field emerges.

      Although the story focuses more on deep DEEP time an omniengineering. (A term I just made up because mega engineering is a concept way too small compared to the one in the story).

      If you want I don’t mind putting that story in the conversation.