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- news@beehaw.org
A new report by Human Rights Watch argues that the compulsory use of Chinese as the primary language in schools in Tibet raises “serious concerns under international human rights law”.
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Man, so much whataboutism.
How about we stop deliberately killing off cultures?
Except the only culture being killed off is a feudal theocracy.
Tibetan is still taught in their schools, along with Chinese. HRW is a Zionist organization. OP is a serial Zionist-apologia poster from Isn’treal (just click through their post history). Their agenda is to post US/Zionazi propaganda only.
Feudal theocracy in 1950s. Tibet never got the time to develop due to China’s brutal occupation.
Tankies don’t acknowledge the existence of time, they still attempt to describe Taiwan as a military junta.
The amount of people here using EXACTLY the same disgusting reasoning that 19th century Europeans used for genocide is… well disgusting.
This thread is great for updating your racist user tag list.
Literally US Zionist propaganda
From Wikipedia
Human Rights Watch (HRW) is a nonprofit watchdog group headquartered in New York City
In 2026, HRW’s Israel and Palestine director resigned after HRW blocked a report that argued that Israel’s denial of the Palestinian right of return is a “crime against humanity”.
In 2014, two Nobel Peace Laureates, Adolfo Pérez Esquivel and Mairead Maguire, wrote a letter signed by 100 other human rights activists and scholars criticizing HRW for its revolving-door hiring practices with the U.S. government, its failure to denounce the U.S. practice of extrajudicial rendition, its endorsement of the U.S. 2011 military intervention in Libya, and its silence during the 2004 Haitian coup d’état.
Why are you posting Zionist propaganda "NGO"s?
I’m no fan of Zionists but what you are doing is attacking and attempting to discredit the source to distract from the message that they are trying to push.
The story here is the attempted cultural genocide of the Tibetan people by the Chinese government. I come from a nation that has almost lost its language as a result of similar colonial cultural genocide. This issue may not be real or important to you but it is an attempt to destroy a nation’s cohesion and identity.
The real question for me is why are you trying to discredit an article on this, what is your agenda here Riverside?
attempting to discredit the source to distract from the message that they are trying to push
Yes, because the message they’re trying to push is “China bad” as a US-gvt and Zionist controlled “NGO”, in the current cold war that the US is instigating against China as the former loses worldwide economic dominance.
The story here is the attempted cultural genocide of the Tibetan people by the Chinese government
Yes, and I’d take it seriously if it was real and not fabricated propaganda designed to target the most progressive among us.
I come from a nation that has almost lost its language as a result of similar colonial cultural genocide
I’m very sorry about that. Is China the aggressor in your instance, or are you projecting Western colonialist history onto China because the US propaganda outlets are telling us to do so?
This issue may not be real or important to you
It’s extremely important to me. And if it were important to you, you’d be doing activism not for the fabricated false news about Tibetan language, but actual cultural genocides ongoing right now in the west that I haven’t seen you do activism about, such as Breton or Occitan in France, the latter of which has gone from 1Mn speakers to 100k over the past century and, to this day, enjoys no official recognition or status. Lhasa Tibetan is, TODAY, the official language of the Tibet Autonomous Region of China. In the 1950s, there were about a million speakers of Tibetan in China, today there are about 6 million. From Wikipedia:
"In the Texas Journal of International Law, Barry Sautman stated that “none of the many recent studies of endangered languages deems Tibetan to be imperiled, and language maintenance among Tibetans contrasts with language loss even in the remote areas of Western states renowned for liberal policies”
I understand your concern with the preservation of languages and cultures, I completely share that mindset. However, I urge you to look at the material facts beyond US/Zionist-fabricated fearmongering: Chinese currency portrays the currency values written in Tibetan among other languages of China, Tibetan speakers only grow over time according to modern evidence, and the countries warning against such acts are literally carrying out unspoken acts of linguistic genocide.
Yes, because the message they’re trying to push is “China bad” as a US-gvt and Zionist controlled “NGO”
Yes but are they lying? Is it not true that China is unilaterally changing the primary language to Chinese for schools in Tibet?
Yes, and I’d take it seriously if it was real and not fabricated propaganda
Why do you say it is not real, human rights watch is just one source, a quick search leads to several sources you can find yourself. This is also not a new issue, there is information on the promotion of Mandarin over Chinese in Tibetan schools going back years. Just because you do not accept what is happening does not make it propagand
Is China the aggressor in your instance, or are you projecting Western colonialist history onto China
Colonialism is still colonialism, doesn’t matter if it’s Chinese or western it’s all the same. Erasure of cultural identity and especially language is always a big part.
And if it were important to you, you’d be doing activism
I don’t need you to tell me what I should be doing buddy.
I haven’t seen you do activism about, such as Breton or Occitan in France,
To be fair you haven’t seen me do anything, I am an anonymous internet stranger. For all you know I was marching the streets of Rennes in support of my brothers there.
This is also “whataboutism” on your part, one of the lowest forms of rhetoric. Up your game and stick to the point at hand please.
is, TODAY, the official language of the Tibet Autonomous Region of China. In the 1950s, there were about a million speakers of Tibetan in China, today there are about 6 million.
I see that you capitalised the word today, either you understand the concept of time or are, like Donald Trump, a fool who capitalises words for no reason. You should also then be able to understand that this measure is meant to reduce the amount of native Tibetan speakers going forwards in time. You seem to be trying to use the fact that there are more Tibetan speakers today than in 1950 as proof that China is not trying to reduce native Tibetan speakers in the future? How does this make sense in your thick head buddy? Does this type of argument ever work on people?
Have you ever considered that maybe the Zionists, the USA AND China are all bad? All are shitty imperial colonists.
Cool, keep believing your western made-up anti-China propaganda about Tibet erasure while all scholars on the topic agree that the language is healthy, preserved, and the number of speakers keeps growing…
It isn’t cultural genocide to teach the only useful language in the region, while requiring the cultural language also be taught.
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China’s conduct towards ethnic minorities is pretty bad at times, but this seems pretty lukewarm.
I’m not defending China’s treatment of Tibetans in general, but a uniform language of instruction is a nothingburger. Not a nothingburger I’m happy about to be clear, but still a nothingburger. Otherwise at least half the world would be engaging in cultural genocide
Otherwise at least half the world would be engaging in cultural genocide
Yes. This is why both nobody cares and it’s a huge deal. We’ve done this to each other for thousands of years. The definition of genocide is the destruction of a culture, it doesn’t have to be killing. It can be this.
What is ‘this’? Compulsory education in the Tibetan language and culture? Because that’s what actually goes on in Tibet.
Yes the primary language taught is the one that will allow them to have access to the entire rest of the country. They are still forced to learn tibetan to receive a certificate of education.
Racist choice of wording. Forced to learn a native language after experiencing an invasion in less than a lifetime.
Interesting
You understand Tibet was not invaded right? Just like the US was not invaded by the French during the revolutionary war.
You’re right Tibet isn’t even real. Avatar the Last Airbender isn’t an allegory to anything.
Hahahaha China’s imperialism is always like “the Chinese army arrived, the enemy laid down their guns and embraced their saviors. There was 90,000 less Tibetans two years later”
And you think anybody buys it.
It’s like the fishermen vessels shit they pull, tiananmen square, “color revolutions” it’s so childish. Absolutely pathetic and transparent.
I “wonder” whom they got cultural-genocide-methods from…
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Hopi+prisoners+in+alcatraz&t=fpas&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images
( Hopi men in Alcatraz prison, because they wouldn’t sign their agreement with their children being taken from them, at gunpoint, to be enforced into the residential-“school” institutions ).
Back in the Nuremberg trials, we had the absolute-gall to maintain that MoralLaw, aka NaturalLaw, aka RuleOfJustLaw, “outranks” RuleOfLegalism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law
Where, in our genociding of Indigenous Peoples & their culture, both before & after, did we demonstrate that principle??
Oh, we “have the right to be 2-faced” … ??
Anybody who’s tried reading Wehle’s book “How to Think like a Lawyer, and Why”, knows that legalism is the whole of the law, & RuleOfJustLaw/MoralLaw/NaturalLaw … hasn’t got any power to outrank precident.
https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/how-to-think-like-a-lawyer-and-why
( the SCOTUS gutting of the US’s Voting Rights Act stands on legalism, e.g. )
Yes, it is true that I already-know that CCP gaslights about holding to international-law.
My point is that our world holds to “rule of law”, NOT to Rule of Law, & that our pretending otherwise is itself gaslighting.
Yes, Jim Crow 2.0 is being enforced in the US, now.
Yes, ICE is embodying the SAME “principles” in the US that the IDF is embodying in Gaza
( this short, and difficult-to-watch, video explains that … while showing us the murders of ICE, & their other IDF-clone behaviors, … while showing us the IDF’s original-renditions. Please have the guts to see it with your own eyes: it changes one to see & understand, accurately… https://youtu.be/qhZBVLQK9MU )
& yes, this supremacism/genociding principle is enacting in Europe ( ask the Ukranians’ stolen children about it ), in Asia ( see the article linked in the OP ), in the Middle-East ( Netanyahu’s “Israel” … I discovered yesterday that the real LivingSpirit-loyal Jews are calling Netanyahu “Amalek”, which is the embodyer-of-anti-Judaism/“Jewish”-evil ) & in the Americas.
This is part of a global paradigm, not something local to 1 of the 4 world-pushing “poles” of Earth!
It’s the principle/paradigm that needs opposing, not letting the framing be made “only-local”, because so long as we remain blindfolded against the globalness-of-the-paradigm, then we remain as ineffective as they want us to be!
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Many ancient empires did the same, millennia before the US existed.
It was shit then and it’s still shit now.
Literally every time on Lemmy someone says something bad about country X, there spawns a dude who starts writing “but US”
At this point I can’t tell if this is deliberate propaganda, the same tactic used by the soviets. In any case, I’ve noticed also that people are now growing tired of whataboutism, and your comment pisses me off too. One country being bad is not an excuse for others to do bad.
My point is that I expect 100-MILLION or more to die in the Americas, in the next 7 years, because of what the US turns-into.
You can pretend that that is whataboutism, XOR you can understand that I’m talking about a category-changing degree-of-bad.
The Regional-Consolidation Time will begin, by the end of 2026.
3 Empires will stand, by 6-years from now…
& maybe some Resistance…
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Three empires? What would be the third one? There aren’t many countries who are imperialist in 2026. It’s China, Israel, US and Russia, but only two appear strong enough to bring evil to the global scale.
Also, from what would people randomly die? How does 1/3 of the population just dies in 7 years? That normally doesn’t even happen during wartime.
The 3 Empires will be the, to use the American-Indian compatible labels:
- The Caucasian Serpent ( US & “Russia”, against the woke of the West )
- The Chinese Empire ( all of Asia abandoned by the West, who’re busy surviving their personal-armageddons )
- after Netanyahu drops, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia will strike, changing from regional-power, to regional-dominion, & since everybody-else will be occupied-elsewhere, they’ll get Africa, by the end of the Regional Consolidation Time.
1/3-rd of the North American population I expect to be gone when the Caucasian Serpent Time implodes, 7y after the tippingpoint is crossed.
“White Serpent”, “Red Serpent”, & ( remember the black-flag beloved of Islamists & that Africa is Black continent: the symbolism worked, but details aren’t lynchpins, in unconscious-mind-perceived-futures ) the “Black Serpent”, in the American Indian prophecies.
They mapped them as “serpents” but the Christian prophet mapped them as “horses” ( again, White, Red, then Black ).
Unconscious-mind often perceives things that SurfaceMind prohibits-from-being-valid because SurfaceMind’s methods weren’t what discerned those futures…
The problem-with-that-prejudice, though, is that it is our unconscious-mind that is making our future, writing-the-script!! … so, yes, unconscious-mind’s “seeing the future” CAN be accurate, since it, itself, is the author of that future.
This will all make much more sense after the tippingpoint is crossed, probably in late-August 2026, btw…
Civilrights will be hosed, globally, as humankid’s phase-change happens.
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I’m sorry, but this is the most unhinged geopolitical take I’ve seen in a long time and rarely anything about it makes sense.
And here I was, thinking nothing beats the politics of MAGA
I’m not trying to score points against you here when I say your comment is incoherent. I cannot parse a lot of what you have written. Maybe if you stuck to simpler sentence structure, your message would come across.
A) cultural genocide has been a thing, in lots of places, for millenia. As one of the oldest civilisations, China has plenty of examples in its history, no need to rely on Americans for inspiration.
B) countries shouldn’t get a turn or an hall pass at crimes against humanity because other countries did or are doing the same.
I’m saying that escalation will make everything be category-changing, later this year: it’ll be BAD in a way which we are unable to understand, now.
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^Modern whataboutism propaganda will exhaust you by the end so you forget entirely that this thread is about China’s human rights abuses.
Honestly, France has been doing this for 2 centuries now. Is it bad because China is doing it?
So its OK then that France did that? You can’t excuse one instance of imperialism and complain about another. All Imperialism is bad, regardless of who is doing it to whom.
I’m not excusing anything. I’m just looking at targeted blame. China is the most terrible country for everything it does. Just don’t look anywhere else, especially not the allies of the west.
Oh make no mistake , France is still enforcing Neocolonialism in its “former” colonies. Its just that I see to many people (eee lemmy.ml) handwaive Chinas awful actions away because bad stuff happened before, and that logic only ever leads to things never getting better.
What I see is anti-China propaganda where everything bad is denounced when China does it but ignored when it’s the west and their allies.
I see many more post about “China evil” than I see about Saoudi Arabia or Israël.
In fact, the “China evil” propaganda is very often a form of whataboutism to avoid the same or worst problems in the west. In French there is a say that goes like “it’s easier to see the straw in the eye of you neighbour than to see the beam in your own eye.”
Resistance since the uprising of 1959 has persisted under the current Dalai Lama, a “potent force despite decades of propaganda, political crackdowns and education drives aimed at undermining his authority”, living in exile in India.
What authority are they talking about? Are they arguing that education should not be offered and that instead theocratic leadership is what is most important when considering human rights? I think rather the real propaganda comes from the west in favour of a feudal theocracy.
They’re unironically calling for child sex slaves to be reinstated.
Ghaza and Lebanon woukd like to have a work with the HRW.
And that word would be “thanks for your support”?
https://www.hrw.org/middle-east/north-africa/israel/palestine
