I find this website equally as anti-feminist as Reddit. Doesn’t really surprise me since this website is more male than Reddit and also full of Reddit refugees.
It’s incredibly anti-feminist and misogynistic. It really feels like early Reddit days and 4chan here more often than not.
We’ve got men coming in this very thread crying misandry because of a somewhat critical tone towards men who aren’t feminists.
Block some instances, that helps. Give me a sec, I have a list ready.
In the many times I’ve had men (and some women ffs) force this explanation upon me, they usually:
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Have fundamental misunderstanding of what feminism is. They often think women want dominance over them or something, giving them a victim complex.
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Support feminist values in theory, but get annoyed when literally anything at all is asked of them to contribute to meaningful change. (see also: systemic racism)
Neither of these are an excuse and I’m so exhausted hearing them over and over.
I think the logic on #1 (though they probably don’t consciously realize this) is women have generally been treated terribly for millennia, they don’t want the same treatment themselves.
This makes sense if you have a zero-sum world view.
It also makes sense when you realize they’re fine with a negative sum as long as they get a larger share, but they understand that saying that would get them in trouble.
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Maybe those men see feminists on the internet mainly complain about men, rather than attempting to make positive changes?
This entire thread is just a bait, and the level of misandry I see when this sub appears on my feed is depressing.
Let’s try and be nice to each other.
Yeah it’s usually not feminists that complain about men, it’s just women complaining about male behaviours and refusing to put up with bullshit.
There is a lot to complain about. Hell we’re at the point where there’s documentaries about it. Stop crying about being called out for being an ass.
Rule 1. Women only… trans women are women, and transphobic or gender critical talk isn’t allowed. Anyone under the trans umbrella (e.g. non-binary, bigender, agender) is free to decide whether a women’s community is a good fit for them.
Being on the internet and making positive changes in one’s community are not mutually exclusive.
I don’t see any misandry here tbh.
The first sentence in the top comment on this thread: “In the many times I’ve had men (and some women ffs)”
Sounds like “Gender critical talk” and misandry to me. But I’m going to bow out now.
Sounds like this is a space for women to talk about these things that we experience when talking to others on this subject.
Her personal experience talking to the men she has spoken to on this topic is valid. She did not say “all men” as you are clearly assuming.
We’re allowed our own spaces here ffs.
I feel like it’d work better if you’d ask them “should men be treated like how you want to treat women: without a right to decide whether to have a child, without being able to work, without being … etc.”.
I feel like most men don’t really understand, unless if they were put in our shoes. I’ve seen shows where that exactly happens: they get whistled at by even stronger people, they’re derided and told their views don’t matter, they get lower wages (in simulations), and so on. Some do change their mind after that, at least.
They honestly feel like women have enough rights now and feminism is just a means to destroy men in the modern world.
It’s so frustrating to see people not look past their own nose.
In the US, exemption from selective service.
And before someone says “there hasn’t been a draft since Vietnam”, the Trump administration floated initiating a draft just after they started the Iran war.
Oh wow. Don’t have to serve in the military. Wow. You’re oppressed. I’m so privileged.
So your point of horror is that you might have to serve.
Everyone deserves exemption from selective service.
That is a political opinion entirely separate from the reality of the law. This is arguably the last federal law that explicitly discriminates against women by name, and yet it is tolerated with virtually no complaint from feminist organizations. I’m very much in favor of women’s rights, but at the same time very much against hypocrisy from organizations that say they are for equality but tolerate convenient inequality.
“Please tell me which rights I don’t deserve as a woman”
You answered that women don’t deserve the exemption from selective service.
I simply pointed out everyone deserves that exemption. Is that not countering the hypocrisy you feel feminists push on this topic?
Feminist organizations actually pushing to change the status quo one way or another on this issue would be countering the hypocrisy.
Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom
And there are several loosely related organizations also fighting for the same - no draft for any genders.
There’s even a few groups fighting to INCLUDE women in the selective service along with men.
Is the only reason you believe women don’t deserve to be exempted because men are not exempted?
Edit: a quick search reveals there’s several feminist organizations working to abolish the draft for all genders.
Edit 2: it’s actually impressive how you perfectly proved the post in real time. You incorrectly assumed what feminists believe and asserted it as a man in a women’s only space.
Well you’re speaking again, and it’s to ask a quetion. That’s number one and number 2 right there. You’re on the internet, that’s number 3.
Oh we’re allowed on the internet just as long as we’re performing sex acts or not visiblly female
