• FunStuffIsFun@eviltoast.org
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    5 days ago

    Damn. This could have been avoided if Ukraine had instead chose to bow down, kiss the rings, and unconditionally submit in perpetuity to Vladimir Putin, our handsome and beloved lord and savior.

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      5 days ago

      Libs love projecting responsibility for the crimes of their fascist allies

      If this is Russia’s fault for attacking, then that means that Russia attacking is Ukraine’s fault for doing all that ethnic cleansing in the Donbas and refusing to just let them go, like they voted for. Not very wholesome 100 democracy of them.

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          Signing a last minute non-aggression pact to buy time after having your proposed antifascist alliance shot down for ten years by countries that all signed pacts with the fascists next door to you years earlier is actually not the same thing as providing military aid to an ethnostate currently committing genocide thousands of miles away and explicitly saying you want to be like them.

          Liberal ideology can only survive in ignorance of the facts.

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          I do not recall anyone excusing any country sending soldiers to defend the Nazis during the height of the Holocaust.

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          Having a temporary truce (after all attempts to rally against them were rejected) to build up the strength necessary to destroy the fascists in the inevitable war against them is different to being best friends with the fascist and helping them destroy entire regions of the world.

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                  “Stalinism” isn’t an ideology. The term was coined by Trotskyists as a polemical weapon. Using it as if it were a self-identified doctrine misrepresents the historical record to serve a political narrative of discontinuity.

                  “Maoism” as a distinct -ism separate from Marxism-Leninism was created later by the Communist Party of Peru (Shining Path). Chairman Mao consistently framed his contributions as Marxism-Leninism applied to Chinese conditions.

                  Your “both sides” stance isn’t principled skepticism. Condemning the oppressed and the oppressor with equal moral weight objectively strengthens the hegemon. Imperialism doesn’t require your active support to benefit from your neutrality; it only requires that you deny the oppressed the right to defend themselves.

                  Think concretely: if you condemn both the SS and the Warsaw Ghetto fighters as “violent extremists,” you aren’t above the fray. You are functionally aligning with the side that holds state power, industrial capacity, and the monopoly on legitimized violence. The same dialectic applies when socialist states, forged in anti-fascist war and under permanent siege, take measures to survive. Abstract moralizing that ignores the material conditions of blockade, invasion threat, and subversion serves the side that imposes those conditions.

                  Liberalism’s “condemn everyone” posture is simply abdication. It mistakes the symmetry of moral judgment for the asymmetry of class power. History isn’t judged by who shouted “violence is bad” the loudest, but by which side advanced the material interests of the oppressed.

                  Also all this is irrelevant to the main point anyway (smuglord shitlibs like yourself would call what you did a whataboutism I believe (can I declare victory now?)), that a nonaggression pact formed after every attempt to rally against the fascists was rejected in order to buy time to destroy them is materially different to siding with them with glee to destroy an entire region of the world with no plans of ever fighting the fascists.

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          Nobody would criticise Ukraine for having ceasefire deal with Israel. It would imply they are enemies, for one.