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interestingly, alcohol (ethanol) is not exactly haram. i have seen many instances (primarily from chemstores/chemical suppliers) of ethyl alcohol marked as halal! this article on some malay government website looks to provide a brief overview of the topic. they also had a more lengthy article (doi:10.24191/sl.v18i1.24338) about the subject too, and halal certification services has this (doi:10.1016/j.tifs.2016.10.018) slightly harder to read but still intriguing review.
i am by no means experienced in this subject (if you are feel free to reply!) beyond reading the labels on chemicals and using it for cleaning. in short though i think the important thing for alcohol-containing substances to be halal is that you don’t consume any with too high an ethanol concentration, either if there’s the possibility of intoxication, or poisoning (considered attempted suicide and thus haram, going by the above sources). if its high concentration stuff used for cleaning or production but not in the final product, it can be acceptable, and so can very low concentrations even when consumed (the body would have to ingest so much that it would have other issues like low sodium prior to any intoxication).
remember, sharia law is much like any other form of law: it’s riddled with complexity, opaqueness, and tons of loopholes!
Ooh I actually have a cool example about last “shariah is just a law” part.
Islam is very much flexible in topic of health and you are allowed to use haram items like pork or alcohol products in medicine if no other options available.
Here is the cool part, even tho culturally there is still a lot of pushback and problems, gender dysphoria still falls under “health” and therefore treatments are protected under shariah.
Hence wikipedia articles like Transgender Rights in Iran have very surprising starts.
Alcohol is haram but the Pride flag is too much? Pal, when you’re five shots in your sexuality is the least of your worries.
/r/thatsthejoke
You go tell them that lmao
Its the chemicals in the water /s
LOL as far as I know, there aren’t levels of haram. I don’t think you can pick and choose.
Try explaining to a Christian fundamentalist that if gays have to be executed so do unfaithful spouses
If you are that worried that using a product with a gay promotional sign is going to turn you gay, you’re already gay.
I seriously think this is it. One of my childhood friends went full maga, but there were signs early. I remember how performative he was about his hate for sour cream and mayo, because of the similar hue to ejaculate. Dude legit feigned gagging one time at Taco Bell. He could’ve had a career as an actor if only it wasn’t woke.
I got some clearance rainbow shoelaces shopping with my elderly aunt one time and she was like “people are going to think you’re gay.” And my legit reaction was “so?” Things that literally make no difference to me in my day to day life. Meanwhile you’re saying straight dudes can’t enjoy :: checks my notes:: fucking colors? Yeah fuck all the way off with that. Imma eat and wear whatever the fuck I want.
When a guy is trying way too hard to constantly prove he’s not gay, he’s covering.
Anyone who says that being gay is a choice is gay. I can only use myself as an example. I’m not gay and it wasn’t a choice.
Exactly. If you are making a choice between straight or gay, then you are gay, because a straight person NEVER questions it. They’re just straight.
I remember the first time I heard about it as a choice, and I was confused. I assumed that all people felt the same as me, they just like who they like, and don’t question it. But if some people feel they have to make a choice, that means they feel gay, but are making the choice to ignore/suppress it, and live straight.
I really feel bad for those lost people. Embrace your Self.
This might be one of the realest shit I’ve read, to date, about the debate.
Unironically is an anagram of unicornially.
OOP is obviously making a joke…
Yes, but I do know a lot of people like this personally.
gay water🏳️🌈
I think if you look, not hard - just use your eyes like normal, you’ll find that idiot assholes come in all shapes, sizes, sexes, colors, religions, political/sexual orientation, whatever.
I like the subtle detail they posted this during Ramadan.
Good, you shouldn’t get to enjoy the vastness of our world if you can’t respect the fact that other people exist.
“I drink alcohol and fuck men, but I’m not gay. Keep that pork away from me”.
This seems to be the most popular attitude among muslim men
If you’re looking at the minority that is specifically: “Men in western society who are Muslim in the same way Trump is Christian” then maybe.
Otherwise, the majority of Muslims do not drink alcohol.
With regards to the sexuality, then yes. There are a large number of Muslim men who are repressed LGBTQ individuals that are afraid of what their community might do to them. All of this is while Saudi Arabia also has full educational tracks segregated by gender worsening the sexual confusion of all minors, in addition to leading to abusive relationships (many of which involve minor sexual abuse).
The pork thing seems a lot more ingrained than the alcohol thing. Wonder if it has something to do with trichinosis.
Kind of a tradition thing for me and my siblings. If you grew up thinking it’s unedible then it becomes weird to eat.
For example most people from US would not eat cat meat even if they were given $10 to do it. No religious idea there it’s just “culturally unedible.”
This is different from octopus etc which are more so in “I didn’t know people ate it but I was never told it can’t be” or “neutral” territory.
i mean historically speaking that’s probably a decent chunk of the reason for pork being against the dietary rules for those religions.
Maybe their invisible sky-Daddy just wanted to deny them the joys of bacon and crackling?
Let’s face it, twisted “jokes” seem to be the MO, just look at Isaac
who could have predicted that forcing animals to live on human excrement and then consuming those animals would lead to stigmas about cleanliness
Tbh, I’ve also known a lot of Jews who will eat a cheeseburger or shrimp, but not pork.
I grew up Catholic, but my dad can’t digest pork, so we never ate it or had it in the house growing up (turns out I can’t digest it either, which I didn’t learn until I inadvertently ate some at a restaurant as an adult). I’m now a vegan and I enjoy meat alternatives, but I have zero interest in anything that tries to seem like any pork products. I once got some ground fake meat that I thought was supposed to be beeflike, but it was modeled on pork and I had to give away the chili I had made because I couldn’t stomach it.
It’s a very strong taste and smell, so if you don’t grow up with it, it’s probably not something that actually appeals to you past curiosity about the whole bacon meme (it was way too heavy and the umami equivalent of sickly sweet imo and got stuck in my teeth more than I expected it to)
Probably because, even if you want to eat meat, it’s easy go for alternatives. When it comes to alcohol, no easy alternative can be used.
There are plenty of alternatives to alcohol that can be used to get high. People just lack imagination.
The Quran tells Muslims to avoid all intoxicants, not just alcohol.
Sugar, video games and no sleep combined
Alcohol makes you look cool to your friends (at least they think so) and not eating pork makes you look cool to other muslims
It’s wild that no one’s pushed back on this. Most Muslims drink and have sex with other men? That’s a preposterous and bigoted claim.
Statista sucks, so this is the clearest archive version I can find, but in France, a western country with a well integrated Muslim population and a significant drinking culture, the largest demographic of Muslim drinkers were those over 50 at 30%, whereas those under 25 were at 15%, and presumably the 25-50 year olds look to drink at a rate of ~22-25%
Reminds me of an old friend of mine. Happy to get schlammered every weekend, but would get offended and take it personally if he was offered a ham sandwich or some bacon.
To them it’s like God might forgive them if they commit a mass murder, but not if they eat pork.
If memory serves me well, the drinking of alcohol is also forbidden.
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(Also it’s Ramadan so alcohol is like double-forbidden now)
That’s kind of the point of the post.
I knew a guy who was muslim.
He was an opiates addict but somehow alcohol was unallowed.
This is super common in Utah as well. Illicit drugs/alcohol are bad, but a doctor prescribes opiates so that’s okay! Really hits women hard too since the only purpose you have is as a baby/homemaker, so getting high on prescription drugs is a fun hometime activity, just like it was back in the 50s!
I was a stay at home father for ten years and getting high was never something that I found atractive.
I read a lot, cooked extremely complex dishes, learned fermentation, bread making, several DIY, etc.
Why drugs?
Their body their choice. I know its really hard for people on this planet to accept, but thats how it is.
Dispose of you body as you choose. No concern there for me. Resort to drugs, that signals something is wrong. Met too many people that fell into drug abuse and the common denominator was always the same: their life was off. No friends, no family, no support, nothing and no one to rely onto. Drugs or alcohol are an easy way to dull the suffering.
Are we saying bored mothers are using drugs for fun or that they are miserable in their lives?
What recipe should I make? Bread or otherwise?
What are your intentions? Because that question is pretty open answered.
The discussion of consuption of alcohol in the Muslim world is widely discussed, because the scriptures talk about the wine of an specific fruit, so it can be interpreted as just that fruit to any substance that alter your senses. Depending on how you want to read it.
Maybe a form of Folk Islam?
Can somebody please tell that to their governments, then?
I’m still trying to forget the videos where they tossed human beings from buildings, or slowly hang them up, just for loving the wrong person.
Since this is a picture of a liquor store with labeling in English, I’m guessing “their government” is in Washington DC. Or maybe London.
I’m not happy with everything their government is doing, either, but it’s not easy to change.
It’s nice you remember the original commenter there are Muslims outside of the middle-east, and this shop may well be outside in the middle east, but it’s unlikely it is Washington DC or Londen considering nobody would get a bottle for $799.99 or £799.99.
Yeah. Brain fart by me. Only English is the absolut logos.
But I’m going to stand with the idea that a country with a government that executes people for being gay isn’t going to have a liquor store showing corporate pride flags
And even in countries with those government, changing the government isn’t a simple (or safe) thing.
It’s definitely somewhere in Southeast Asia.
Ah, Americans, so focused on the dysfunctionalities of other countries because US media uses them constantly to manufacture consent for war against them. Never gets old. Oh wait, it does.
