I have always heard politicians talking about oil in the context of “national security”. “We need oil to be secure”. It’s incredible to me how infrequently I’ve heard people talk about how dependence on fossil fuels is the security threat. If we had a majority-renewable energy economy right now, most Americans still wouldn’t be able to find the Strait of Hormuz on a map.
O&G sales people always say we need them and we can’t live without them and they’re the reason anything exists and they prevent the middles ages and they’re so important we owe them our lives and so on. All they really want if for you to pay them forever. It’s our job to increase our quality of life while phasing them out gradually (energy transition).
It’s because those words were sponsored by oil lobbyists and their offshoots. So much of the economy is based on it that it might actually be accurate (not that I think it should be perpetuated even if it would be painful to truly move on from oil).
That’s radical lefty stuff. You see people like Rep. Sean Casten talking that way but not anybody who wants to be seen as “moderate.”
As someone who paid $1.50 MORE per Gallon this week then last week prices ARENT Soaring because TRUMP Told me they WERENT! STOP believing EVERYTHING you Sheeple!
-Republican Voters!
Yesterday night we charged our car for the equivalent of 6 cent per kWh.
2 days earlier we charged for free using surplus power from our solar panels.
On average in the winter we can charge during the night for around 15 cent per kWh. from April to September (both months included) we can pretty consistently charge for free from our solar panels in Copenhagen at Latitude 55° North.
If you live further south, you will be able to do even better. All of USA except Alaska has way better conditions for solar power than we do.$0.40 per kWh here :-/
We also have that in the morning when everybody get up, and then again around dinner time. Prices often even go slightly higher than that in those periods.
Our rates are hourly, so charging the car at night you can generally get power for 15 cent per kWh.
6 cent is very cheap and does not generally occur during winter, but I bet that very soon when the spring gets milder, we will see below 10 cent regularly.For us solar with battery is brilliant, because even when there is little to no sun at dinner, we have enough on the battery to cover both the expensive periods 6 moths of the year. Most days even when cloudy, we can still make enough to cover the entire 24 hours.
And the solar system only cost $30k!
Our solar panels cut our roughly $500/month electric bill to zero when you average it out over an entire year. So that’s $6000 a year. During peak summer our batteries that get charged by the panels send excess electricity back to to the grid that the utility pays a premium for, and last year we got $2500 for that. Our state also pays us for the total amount of renewable energy we generate, and we got about $500 last year for that. So in one year our panels saved us roughly $9000. After we’ve paid off our loan in a couple more years then this will continue generating free money for us.
Whoa $500 per month! Our consumption here in Denmark has been stable around $150 per month for 20 years in 3 different houses. Excluding heating. Prices have gone up, but constantly more energy efficient equipment has curbed that, so we use less electricity now than we did 20 years ago.
I’m guessing you live somewhere that needs air condition?After we bought solar panels I calculated it for 2024 and we paid $8 when deducting sales from our purchases. But we have 4 Winter months where we can’t cover our consumption with the panels alone, because the sun is too low on the sky to give much energy.
Our system is 11 kWh panels, and 7 kWh battery, I am curious how big your system is?We have about 40kwh panels and 40kwh battery. We use roughly 1mwh per month, with our biggest consumption between our EV, kitchen appliances, and clothes dryer.
That’s a very nice (big) installation. 😀☀️
But not as much consumption as I expected from the cost you stated. We use about 500 kWh without the EV, and 650 kWh since we bought the EV, we don̈́t drive so much, our battery can generally last a week on a charge.
Electricity must be pretty expensive where you live. Seems like you paid 3 times as much for twice the consumption as we do.
Maybe,maybe less ,but the point is that it will pay for itself.
Ours is 11 kWh with a 7kWh battery, complete with installation it was $18 k, but that includes 25% sales tax.
So without tax it’s $14.5 k.
But that was 2½ years ago, and although that is not so long ago, prices have dropped dramatically here because prices were inflated due to the energy crisis caused by Russia invading Ukraine, and Russia blocking gas deliveries to Europe.But to be fair, we didn’t buy the entire solar system, just a few solar panels. 😋
-unplugs car- “did something….happen?”
$8.21/gallon for Regular in downtown Los Angeles.: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/general/drivers-stunned-as-one-los-angeles-gas-station-charges-more-than-8-per-gallon/ar-AA1YCCC5
aaaahhhh… Making America great needs your sacrifice. Would you like to pay with cash, card or home second mortgage?
Reduce your O&G dependency: get your local companies to use EV delivery trucks.
good thing the rapist pedophile torpedoed EV, solar and all possible renewable energy industries in the USA before destroying oil supply to cover for said raping and pedophile activities
congrats Americans!
Honestly I think the best way to sell Americans on electric is to let BYD enter the market and not tax them to death. Their prices would be very attractive, but they price way lower than just about anyone else. If they offered electric cars to Americans at those prices, it would shake up the industry there — both ICE and electric. Like, the Cybertruck is still gonna be the Cybertruck, nothing else looks like that, but if you want an affordable electric and Chevy, Toyota, Nissan, et al are saying $30-40K and BYD is saying $10-20K… a lot of people are gonna look good and hard at BYD.
Even with tarrifs, BYD would still be cheaper than most ICE cars… the problem is you cant register it legally in the US becuase it doesnt “meet US saftey regulations” but feel free to buy the deathtraps that are Teslas.
That isn’t an argument for byd. It’s just an argument against teslas and their dumb manual emergency lever design.
Are you really suggesting LOWERING safety standards for byd?
No. BYD probably already has higher standards than the US. But the US has for decades made the excuse of requireing stringent “safety” regulations in order to be allowed importation, but domestics get a free pass until too many lawsuits stack up… i mean BYD is already being imported to Europe. Would you suggest europe has less saftey standards then the US?
Deathtraps, really?! So do you mean only the Cybertrack - or Teslas in general (and what exactly dym, some stats or safety ratings)? Thanks!
That’s a terrifying way to die, and unfortunately, this would hold true for any vehicle with “electric door systems, which can fail and trap occupants inside vehicles, particularly after a crash.”
What i actually expected was an actual comparison of EVs based on their safety ratings (and not an anecdotal incident).
Now, instead, i have more questions, like “how many manufactures choose the electric door systems (over mechanical), why would they do that, and why wouldn’t an obvious safety /reliability issue be resolved…” etc.
More like a complete disaster of safety regulations than a “deathtrap” of a separate manufacturer, imo.
My understanding it suppose to make the vehicle more aerodynamic. But really i think it was because they were just copying what tesla was doing. Doesnt really matter tho. China didnt wait for them to figure how to make them safe
It’s what they voted for, fuck em
So let’s see, the biggest winners of the war so far are Russia and Tesla.
Who saw that coming?
The US oil industry is doing really well as a result too — at least the owners are anyways.
Oh yeah, next year, they will announce that they record record profits, and made more money than they ever had in the past, which means they gouged us mercilessly. Then they’ll call for layoffs.
I heard someone on one of the political shows this morning, saying that when the oil companies celebrate their profits, we should hit them with a huge windfall tax, and give every American a rebate check. I’m all for that.
Yeah, the oil industry owners are salivating over the potential war profits
Problem is that the Republican party is a patronage machine heavily funded by the billionaires who own the oil industry, so a tax like that won’t pass while they hold power
Let’s forget, for a moment, about global warming and the environment, and just forget about the fact that EVs are cheaper and better to drive. Let’s talk about national security, the economy, and sovereignty. Because we can’t have it while we’re dependent on other nations for oil. Let’s transition to electric vehicles, of all types, and then we don’t have to worry about energy anymore. Of course, then we’re still dependent on China for batteries but that’s a different problem that we can actually solve.
Ironically the reason there’s so much lifepo4 batteries available from china despite the tech being USA invented is that there was a patent on the tech in USA, which is a factor in why nobody developed it, but china being china they didn’t care about the bourgeois patents and built up a huge industry around batteries - and now the patent expired.
And now they are starting mass production of sodium batteries that are not affected by cold, and solid state battery production begins next year.
They’ve been “starting production” for 20 years. I’ll believe it when I see it. And by “see it” I mean cars being actively sold that have been validated by 3rd parties.
War is profitable. You must buy oil so we can continue to justify this horrible profitable thing.
cheaper
Are they? I’m currently looking at buying a car and according to my rough estimates, they’re so much more expensive that the cost of gas doesn’t really even matter much.
Most EVs are comparable in cost to similarly featured ICE counterparts, but the manufacturers have mostly chosen to compete higher up the price ladder.
The Tesla Model 3 starts at $38k and can go up to about $55k with certain features. That’s similarly priced to a Lexus ES or a BMW 3 series, which I think is roughly its competition in terms of luxury features, performance, etc.
The Hyundai Ionic 5 and Kia EV6 seem to be competing with things like the Toyota RAV4 and the Honda CR-V, and seem to be similarly priced between $35,000 and $50,000.
I know less about the higher end market segments ($75k+), but at a glance the EV BMWs, Porsches, and Volvos seem to be similarly priced as their gasoline counterparts.
Really, though, as the 2020-2025 models hit the used market we’ll see a lot more used vehicles at affordable prices.
And once purchased, the actual cost of operation and maintenance is much cheaper. Not just the gasoline, but also oil changes and other stuff that comes from lots of different fluids flowing around (valves, seals, pumps), air needing to flow through the engine to support combustion, and the transmission of the rotational energy of the engine’s narrow range of efficient rotational speeds to the wheels across the entire speed range of the vehicle. EV tires tend to be more expensive and wear out quicker, but the overall cost of maintenance is much lower for EVs than internal combustion.
The point is they COULD be cheaper if our current admin didn’t go balls deep back into oil. Other countries make extremely affordable EV cars. The US chose to enter the EV market with 6 figure electric trucks, and “entry level” evs that cost 40k plus, and then get confused why no one buys them.
You have to look beyond gas and look at total cost of ownership. Not to mention the time spent taking your vehicle in for service on a regular basis.
I think all the truly cheap ones aren’t in production this year, a few years ago a Chevy bolt with the tax incentive was literally the cheapest vehicle to buy with a warranty and a loan, period, and that includes 3-4 year old used vehicles (no tax incentive and worse interest, sticker price was lower).
I could be wrong but I think certain battery chemistries aren’t as reliant. Such as NMC.
Bro ev is a bullshit solution gift to the capitalist elites. Public transportation in a reliable network is far “greener” and faster. Edit- I just looked what community this was sorry lol
Bro EV = electric vehicle
Let’s transition to electric vehicles, of all types
Public transportation either already is or can be transitioned to electric as well.
I known car icon when I sees one!
Huh?
Fuck those flatfooted eco liberals, I don’t want to pay a cent extra for my energy just for sustainability and clean air. Actually I don’t want it even if it’s cheaper, because it’s simply un-American! And also it cost jobs because my delusions say so.
-RepublicansSeems second hand EV are now the most affordable cars. Fast depreciation for the win.
Depreciation is fast because ICE dealers jack up EV price to sell ICE instead.
“Hey I know. Let’s pay Trump $1B to ban EVs, force everyone to buy ICE cars and gasoline, and then start a war to raise the price of gasoline, so I can make a crazy profit!” - oil tycoons and investors.
America’s dependence on cars is the real issue.
There can be more than one real issue. Not all transit is within a city or between cities, and since I need a car to get to the nearest city, I’d greatly prefer one that I can fuel with solar panels.
The aptera is launching soon after so many goddamn delays and disappointments. It’s looking like trumps bullshit might actually hike the demand so high it can save that project.
Nothing could make me buy a car from elon. I wouldn’t drive for free.
I wouldn’t buy a car from Elon either, fortunately other companies make EVs
Then don’t buy from Felonia dickMusk. You’ve still got Lucid, and various EV models from Toyota, Kia, Hyundai, Honda, Volkswagen, etc.
Toyota and Honda have cancelled EV production.
Honda did (which doesn’t surprise me, Honda is an engine company that happens to make cars), Toyota is still in the EV game, and they’re dragging Subaru with them into it.
Honda’s pulling back because they bet on the USA for launch, but Trump happened, and the Chinese are killing it in every other market, so they’re backed in a corner and the marketing people figured it’s better to take the L than try and proceed in a hostile market.
They also entered the market years too late and with a subpar, more expensive rebadged Chevy SUV rather than just giving us an electric accord or whatever.
They should have come together and developed a charging system then.
Most other brands can charge at Tesla superchargers now too, and other charging networks are gradually improving, and you’ll do almost all of your charging at home or work anyway.
Yeah dog just say no to the epstein empire. No tesla no musk.
Your concerns/information is outdated.
I dont want to use a tesla charger or chord. You don’t understand my “concerns”
