🇺🇦🇷🇺 Breakdown of military losses in the Ukraine war since 2022. Using OSINT and advanced data analysis, we compiled the most accurate estimates for the ...
  • Bronstein_Tardigrade@lemmygrad.ml
    13·
    11 days ago

    Who cares? It’s their job. They’re not heroes to be lionized, but useful idiots at best and willing participants at worst. The old adage, “what if they had a war, but nobody showed up” springs to mind. “How many civilians, animals, and forests died?” is the better question.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.mlOP
      15·
      11 days ago

      The point here is that the numbers are generally misreported, and as a result people have a very skewed perception of the state of the war. It turns out that neither side has a massive advantage in terms of casualties, but Ukraine has a far lower population to draw on. So, it’s clear that Russia is winning the war of attrition. These numbers also show that the whole narrative about Russian meat wave assaults and paying really high cost for taking territory is also just propaganda.

      • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
        7·
        10 days ago

        This is a good short summary of some of the problems with what is usually considered to be the most “objective” and “evidence based” of the pro-western media estimates (which are already vastly below the totally absurd claims of NATO and the Kiev regime) of Russian casualties:

        https://xcancel.com/KitKlarenberg/status/2030712552368251010

        Basically they pad their database with a load of fake entries and completely unsourced claims. If an amateur investigation can already uncover that many inconsistencies imagine how damning a proper professional critical analysis would be.

        It turns out that neither side has a massive advantage in terms of casualties

        I’m not sure i even agree with this. I think if you take this into account showing that even the more “credible” Russian casualty estimates are overestimated, plus consider the following factors:

        • Ukrainian casualty estimates even by the Russian MOD are probably underestimates because they can only count what they can observe and a lot of casualties caused by deep strikes behind the front lines can’t be observed

        • exchanges of recovered bodies (as well as prisoners, though those exchanges hardly take place anymore because the Ukrainians hardly ever take prisoners anymore) are enormously skewed in Russia’s favor even though they are not advancing that fast

        • the disparity in firepower has always been heavily skewed in Russia’s favor, especially in artillery and long range strikes, and now also increasingly in drones as well, which almost certainly leads to a big disparity in casualties

        • the desperation with which Ukraine is mobilizing people despite already by all accounts having mobilized far more in total than the Russians have (not just in relative numbers to their smaller population but in absolute numbers),

        you arrive at the conclusion that probably the people who were citing very lopsided casualty ratios in favor of Russia were right all along, and the Ukrainians are taking massive casualties to Russia’s relatively modest numbers.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.mlOP
          5·
          10 days ago

          Oh for sure, it’s likely that the casualty ratio favors Russia because of systemic advantages Russia enjoyed. But even if we accept a roughly 1:1 ratio, this is an utter disaster for Ukraine. Him exposing how they cook the numbers was really interesting though. They basically did a big data dump, and just banked that nobody would go through it thoroughly the way these guys did to uncover all the data quality issues.