• Rozaŭtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    14 hours ago

    I’m sorry, but the chinese characteristics simply don’t allow workers to have rights or form unions.

    That’s how you do communism really good.

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      13 hours ago

      It is how Lenin did communism. But Lenin also had the communists murdered as one of his first official actions after seizing power in a coup.

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    16 hours ago

    We need Unions everywhere, how does one unionize with the government dead set against it, and the internet locked down? I think a general strike. We should start some general strikes worldwide, the more they get suppressed, the more they could spread, and together, the entire working world, demand concessions from the ruling classes, because they’ve arrogantly taken more and more from us, as if everything they have isn’t taken from us. As if there is nothing we can do about it because they control armies of goons that will hurt anyone they tell them to.

    But not if we all just stop working. It’s our only real play at this point.

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      15 hours ago

      A general strike is part of the end goal of organizing. Not a means how to get people organized.

      That’s like wanting the grown-up version of your child to ask for parenting advice.

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        Strikes are the only tool available to the put upon workers of the world in repressive one party states. In 1905 in Tsarist Russia, there was no way to effect anything most often, than not showing up for work collectively. For every group of picketers or protesters they put the cossacks on, the strike would spread to new groups, acheiving a general strike of a sort, and in the end wringing major concessions from the tsar, rendering it more of a constitutional monarchy as their western counterparts had long achieved more controls on the monarchy with a sort of parliment curtailing behavior and ok-ing spending.

        Obviously the first world war put the kaibosh on all of that, with their 5 million casualties and starvation and revolution, but there is a lesson to be learned there anyway, in a brutally repressive one party state, with an unquestioned ruler able to order death to any for any reason at any moment, only strikes were able to achieve any moderation of their behavior.

        Your argument here is ignorant of both history and their situation.

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          15 hours ago

          Here’s the most important word of your comment:

          collectively

          How are you going to organize a general strike if the people aren’t organized? You act as if these strikes come up naturally, like mushrooms. Meanwhile, you’re ignoring endless hours of face-to-face organizing that happened before.

          Does the vanguard party declare a “general strike”? /s

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            15 hours ago

            Stop trying to nitpick, you aren’t very good at it, and have nothing here. This is ad hoc anyway, what’s your real reason for this?

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              Because “let’s do a general strike!” Is waaaay too abstract for agitation. It’s clicktivism, at best.

              In the time you explained how a general strike would save us all, you could have organized with your co-workers (agitating them in the process).

              I never said that strikes aren’t the sharpest tool for the proletariat. But strikes come from real-world organizing. Not annoying each other to death on the fediverse.

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                14 hours ago

                You are the one misunderstanding what I’m saying to make me look like an asshole here.