I’m aware that the best defense is the threat of total annihilation to any country or group that shoots a missile at north America.

Consequences and strategic viability aside, what would happen if one, two, or a true promise number of missiles were launched at Ottawa? Is it that they would need to take an orbital trajectory and as such would be defended by similarly launched defenses?

What about the UK? Are there THAAD batteries dotting the perimiter of london just hidden?

Or is it just one of those fun illusions of safety that could be broken by a sufficiently determined group?

I (probably obviously) don’t know anything about the military beyond stuff posted in the news mega

  • Tervell [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Are there THAAD batteries dotting the perimiter of london just hidden

    There are literally just like, ten THAAD batteries in the entire world - the US has seven with an eighth on the way (although it may have already been delivered, not sure), one in Korea, one in Guam, three in in the US itself, and two were deployed to Israel to help defend against Iran, although I’m not sure if they’re still there or have been moved elsewhere since. The UAE has another two, and the Saudis another one, with six more ordered but who knows when delivery will actually take place. Beyond the number of batteries themselves, there’s also the question of munitions, a substantial portion of which were expended defending Israel, and will take a while to replace (No THAADs ’til 2027: Missile defense experts warn of interceptor ‘gap’).

    When it comes to less advanced systems like the Patriot or SAMP/T, there’s a lot more of them, so I guess stopping a handful of missiles might be viable, but Ukraine, with probably one of the densest air defense networks around (courtesy of lots of inherited Soviet systems combined with Western military aid), way more capable than pretty much any NATO country other than the US, is still getting hammered, so it doesn’t really seem like anyone has an air defense that can handle a sustained campaign.

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    This is a very broad question, it doesn’t have a simple answer.

    There are a lot of possible air based threats, and you can bet that desk jockeys in their war departments spend all day dreaming up things that they need to defended against. But to defend against everything would bankrupt your nation, and so they all have to make decisions about what sort of things to invest into. When there’s no restraint, you get insane shit like Golden Dome, which is envisioned to be a world-wide space based missile defense system that can shoot down all sorts of stuff.

    The case of Israel is informative of how difficult it is to address all possible types of threats. They have to maintain two separate types of missile defense systems (Iron Dome and David’s Sling) because the requirements for intercepting short range rockets vs long range rockets is so different. Despite USA support, Israel’s military budget is not literally unlimited so they have to pick and choose carefully based on what they anticipate the actual threats to be. And it’s still expensive as hell and not super reliable.

    Readiness is also an important factor - it’s expensive to keep any defense system in a state of active alert, ready to act. An example of that would be on 9/11; the National Guard had the capability to shoot down airliners, but the readiness of the weapons to be used didn’t give them enough time to respond (the F-16s that were scrambled to intercept Flight 93 could not be loaded with gun ammo or missiles in time).

    To your specific question about a ballistic missile launched at Ottawa: Canada doesn’t have anything that can defend against that. They have extensive early warning radar systems, and so could give advanced warning if it came from a direction that was actively monitored. But the best they could do is inform Ottowans to seek shelter a few minutes ahead of time. If for some reason there was advanced intelligence of a ballistic missile attack on Ottawa, then an arrangement with the USA could probably be made to station a THAAD battery there… but that’s a lot of eventualities lining up.

    Or is it just one of those fun illusions of safety that could be broken by a sufficiently determined group?

    Pretty much. Soft targets are the rule, not the exception. But the hardest way to defend against an attack of any type is to repel it with force while it’s happening. That’s a major reason why nations engage in diplomacy, alliances, and intelligence gathering… and invest relatively little in things like missile interceptors. You only do that if you’re expecting to be attacked.

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    I’d imagine that there are certain high priority areas that have some type of defense, most probably, the expectation is that so few rockets/missiles could reach places like Canada/USA/England that there would be enough time to use fighter jets to shoot them down effectively enough.

    So, both yes and no answers your question.

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    As far as the US is concerned, it is still relying on the defense it has relied on for centuries: weak, servile neighbors to the north and south and fish to the east and west. The defensive posture is largely against individual trespassers and protesters.

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    What I don’t understand is how you will notice something as small and fast as a missile aimed at a target the size of canada.

    When I first imagined your scenario, I pictured a launch from the USSR which is on the other side of the world so at least some time to calculate how to hit it and get your equipment together. But in 2026 it’d probably get launched from Detroit or something so the timeframe is drastically reduced.