how tf you gon talk about not litigating the politics in here and then turn around and criticize the political opinion expressed in terms of its political opposition in the very next sentence, like

I’d probably be considered a “campist” in your taxonomy but these aren’t arguments from that school at all. Every last one of these facts and arguments are sourced from “realist” commentators, the vast majority of which are probably Liberals. That’s what’s so infuriating to me and the whole reason to even try to swim upstream against all this propaganda.

As I said to everyone else - can you dispute a single factual point I made anywhere in any of these comments?

Also the fact that the Maidan coup was orchestrated by the West is well documented, even in the Western press. We also learned from the Kennedy files that the West was also behind the color revolution in Hungary from which the term “tankie” originates. Unless it’s always soviet conspiracy theories to speak on the extensive dirty history of US regime change operations?

Sure lots of things happened, none of them started a war. When putler invaded Crimea he started the war.

Ahh, I see, history actually starts after the Maidan coup but before the bloodless annexation of Crimea. Ever wonder why it was so easy for the Russians to take the peninsula?

3 day military operation

The Russians never said 3 days.

Ukraine being Tiny compared to the russia?

Indeed. Imagine if the Russians had conducted a full mobilization and all-out war instead of this SMO.

The money is there, the manufacturing is there.

When your own European leaders came out and said the Russians were outproducing all of the West in artillery shells three-to-one did you just simply not believe them? Did you think it was limited to artillery shells?

The Ukraine heros are there.

When every single person from the US puppetmasters down to the Ukrainian NCOs on the ground has been speaking for years about Ukraine’s crippling infantry shortage, did you simply not believe them either?

Does mean putler isn’t a fascist colonizer…

You know why don’t we get a few decades away from Europe being a neocolonial power (clock still hasn’t started) and then they can start pointing fingers.

thankfully no one thinks that.

Really is that so? It seems like that is the exact narrative you were reading from mentally as you wrote this comment.

Keep excusing putlers and the russias genocidal cleansing ambitions.

Projection. If the Ukrainians had simply agreed to protect Russian speakers and the Orthodox Church in 2014 they could have kept Donbass AND Crimea. But the Banderites and the West had to have it all so they gambled with the lives of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers and now they are LOSING.

Ukraine strikes the russian infrastructure, the russians strike schools and hospitals, much like another fascist genocider, bibi and Israel.

Projection again. The Banderites are the ones who have been continuously bombarding Russian-controlled civilian territory since the 2014 coup

I don’t have a dog in that fight. Some people care a lot about ethnic makeup and assimilation but that’s not what I’m talking about at all.

I’m talking about the European institutions that they built up for themselves over decades literally self-destructing and taking down other parts of other institutions with them.

For instance, despite the evident failure of the 20 sanctions packages to cripple Russia’s economy, the people who were hurt the most were the Europeans themselves. They now pay some of the highest energy prices in the world, when previously they had some of the lowest when they had access to cheap pipeline oil and natural gas from Russia. This is destroying their industrial competitiveness. As a stark example, Volkswagen has stopped production at their main plant for the first time ever.

As another example: Despite how absolutely essential trust is when building and maintaining a reserve currency, the Europeans are mortgaging decades of credibility by trying to seize the Russian assets. If they ever do do this, we can predict with extreme confidence a nosedive in the forex value of the euro and a corresponding and consequent spike in the yields on all their sovereign debt. Even the willingness to consider and debate such a step has probably already damaged their credibility beyond repair with foreign investors

Many other examples available if you’re still unconvinced.

That’s what I mean by Continental Suicide. The much lauded European Project is eating its own tail, and because it is so awash and propaganda, almost everyone is blind to it

I understand the topicality restrictions on YPTB but does that reflect a wider view among the anarchists? In my years on lemmy it appears plain to me that the provision of a neutral space by the anarchist servers is the only thing holding the threadiverse together. Is that not a role that your side wants to have?