I’m thoroughly convinced the entire tankie triad is a psyop to turn people off from socialism.
Defederation is of the utmost importance!
I’m thoroughly convinced the entire tankie triad is a psyop to turn people off from socialism.
Defederation is of the utmost importance!
My observation is that there is a minority in the men’s rights movement that does hate women, and the movement is not great at making it clear that they do not represent the movement and fail to exclude them if necessary. Mind you, the same problem exists vice-versa within the feminism movement. Those movements then point at those extremist minorities in the “opposite” movement (if you remove the extremist elements they don’t even really oppose each other, but unfortunately the extremist elements are a part of the movements) and say “hey, they’re fighting against us!” as a kind of rallying cry. And it’s not exactly wrong - it’s almost similar to the Nazi bar analogy that if you don’t draw clear lines to keep those extremists out of your movement, well, then yeah, they’re part of your movement. And so things just get more and more extreme, with the social bubbles the internet creates just making things worse.
And honestly, it seems like every progressive social movement has this issue. Whether it’s anti-racism or awareness for sexual violence, there’s always that one extremist section the movement does not seem to be able to or want to exclude.
that’s the thing with complex diverse and ever-growing systems that are specializing towards their own salient eco-niche. which just means… it’s complex, and large populations get bubbles of dumb people using the words and thoughts of the bigger group for their own local opportunism.
i think most groups suck at identifying and policing such spinoffs. i have witnessed many groups actively try, but ultimately when society calls them X/Y for identifying with a group, they will leave the group to not be associated, which clears out all of the people who were policing those people out of the group.
one of my common topics is how the spinoffs blindly lash out at [enemy tribe] and how that is used to re-define the original group, leading to some victims justifying blind attacks in the other direction. a self-fuelling reverberating snowball of dumb angry reactions that seem weirdly good at preventing solidarity and co-construction.
i absolutely agree with you that it’s an issue, and a universal one. possibly the most important issue. we need the building of solidarity and co-constructed understanding of the world that doesn’t fall for blind divisive traps.