I’ve seen a lot of posts on Lemmy today arguing that Greta Thunberg is privileged, self-obsessed or self-promoting, that her actions are merely symbolic and useless, etc. I have to wonder whether these are part of a coordinated campaign. I hope we can all recognize someone who cares enough to put themselves in danger for the sake of others.
I can’t remember the exact quote from Herman Hesse but it’s something like, “A person cannot conceive a quality in another that they don’t also have within themselves.” The reason so many people question Greta’s motives is because they are inherently selfish and Greta’s altruism is impossible for them to understand. The only reason they’d do anything that appears to be heroic is for their own ego or self serving means.
Yes, this also explains why right-wingers always accuse others of “virtue signalling” when they try to do something helpful.
Gotta love that projection
Greta literally risked her life for this. Israel killed ten people on the 2010 Gaza Freedom Flotilla. And Israel bombed the most recent one.
The comments about Greta doing this for self promotion are pure Zionist bots. It is the de-facto Zionist retort after illegally kidnapping Greta in international waters. And the statement has very clearly been communicated from the top down at the Israeli Hasbara department.
Its not just bots. Im a ordinary user and I honestly didnt know how much of her stories are even true. Not everyone is even interested in this from day to day.
Reading your comment history. You are so full of shit right here.
I clicked on your profile and have once again been proven correct.
Thanks for helping add a bot to my blocklist.
There are some people who genuinely support genocide. Along with the bots.
I’ve seen a lot of posts on Lemmy today arguing that Greta Thunberg is privileged, self-obsessed or self-promoting, that her actions are merely symbolic and useless, etc.
Yeah, centrists hate anyone that makes their genocide look bad.
It’s a good opportunity to block bots, trolls, centrists and bootlickers though
I take my time to request they explain their entire “argument” until they are so frustrated with their own inaccuracies they decide to stop commenting. Just had some fun with that yesterday. Make it clear to those who come after.
Don’t feed trolls, please.
Oh of course. They leave dissatisfied each time.
So… Sealioning? That just sounds like Sealioning to me.
Almost. I’m not acting in bad faith and actually want to understand the viewpoint. This last time I was getting empty and irrelevant platidudes to my direct questions, and they didn’t like me pointing that out. I’ve ended plenty of other conversations saying that we clearly have different opinions or values, but I understand better where they are coming from and thank them for explaining it to me.
Edit: I suppose I did sealion at least once back in high school. A girl snarkily asked me, “why are you wearing that?” And when I started to answer, she interrupted saying, “see, I don’t really care.” I told her that was too bad and she probably shouldn’t have asked before following her until I was done with my extended history over my t-shirt.
I don’t wonder at all.
Personally I don’t feel one can argue that she isn’t doing good but I do feel there is an argument to be had that the way she goes about it can do more harm than good and even border on immature. Especially given that the people who most need to hear her message are those who are most likely to ignore her due to her age and station.
What has she done that you believe is immature?
I didn’t say I believe she is immature. I said I feel there is an argument to be had that the way she goes about doing things can do more harm than good and border on immature.
Can you provide an example, even a hyperbole, that would support this stance?
The “both sides” argument is an argument for only one side. You’re just a coward.
Again, I don’t think you actually read my comment. I literally said what she is doing is good and I don’t think people can argue against that but that I understood why people are pissed about how she is going about it. But if I you think I am a coward for speaking my mind then you need to rethink your priorities.
And an example of that would be?
I dont feel like you are reading what I am saying. I can see both sides. I’m not arguing for either one.
You claim that you “feel there is an argument to be had that the way she goes about doing things can do more harm than good and border on immature.”
I’m asking for what the evidence supporting immaturity would be in that argument.
I am really not getting what is so hard to understand about what I said or why people in this thread really want to fight about it but I guess I’ll say it again;
I can see why people are pissed about how she goes about spreading an otherwise good message and I am willing to listen to them. I am not arguing either side.
I can understand what you’re saying, but one side is irredeemably evil and the other wants the evil to stop. Equivocating between the two is support for the former.
Don’t carry water for concern trolls.
There is no opposition to genocide that you won’t find fault with.
Sone of us are older and take issue with how much attention she is drawing while not really organizing anything. She’s a useful figurehead but there are people making her out to be akin to the American civil rights leaders of the past and she’s not doing what they did in terms of grassroots organization. She’s more Oprah, without the baggage she brings, than MLK.
She’s neither the second coming of Christ nor is she a huckster. I think she’s a sometimes media darling who does work herself but does not seem to be building a movement but rather shows up to be the face of it.
“I just dun’ like 'er”-ass kind of comment.
More like she feels like Occupy Wall Street all over again where the work being done is ineffective, it feels like it is all for social media, and “progressives” will bully you if you actually ask what was achieved.
Huh? She’s done nothing but organize grassroot movements and civil disobedience since she was 15? MLK was 28 when he helped form the SCLC, Greta is 22 - give her some credit.
She has shown up. She hasn’t organized. Other people are doing that. Her foundation writes cheques.
I am giving her credit for what she is actually doing
I’m certainly no expert on what she’s been doing, but how can you possibly make that assertion with that kind of conviction? How could you possibly know what she does vs what the people surrounding her are doing?
More importantly, do you actually think past revolutionary figures were doing everything themselves? If she’s getting the people surrounding her to organize, then she is organizing them. That’s leadership. Plenty of historical figures of note are the figureheads because they were the ones writing the checks, that’s how things get done.
Sone of us are older and take issue with how much attention she is drawing while not really organizing anything.
Considerable funds have been spent to make you reach that conclusion, and think it’s accurate.
Not really, if you take some time you’ll see she herself isn’t going around and doing grunt work. A lot of money is also spent making you think she’s effective at what sheis doing.
Im not saying she is doing nothing but there is a difference between what she is doing and what people who started up grassroots organizations did. If ypu look into her foundation they finance other groups and it is those people who are organizing.
Not really, if you take some time you’ll see she herself isn’t going around and doing grunt work. A lot of money is also spent making you think she’s effective at what sheis doing.
You’ve been trained to be reflexively dismissive of what she does. This is to direct your thinking away from the specific cause at hand.
You can verify this by the number of words you’ve typed in order to crap on Greta, compared to the number of words you’ve typed about the Crimes Against Humanity in Gaza being committed by Israel.
You will behave identically the next time she speaks up on important issues.
For you, it will always be about Greta, which will reduce your will to focus on the crisis at hand.
You’ve been trained.
You need significant psychological help as you are delusional. You do not know me nor have I taken a pro-Israel position.
You need significant psychological help as you are delusional. You do not know me nor have I taken a pro-Israel position.
Settle down, Sparky.
I’m pointing out the actual topic, which isn’t Greta, and the fact that your sole axe to grind here is “Greta sux”, as you’ve been trained.
Given that the IDF has killed aid workers, journalists, medical personnel, children, anyone they feel like, The entire crew of that ship was literally risking death, in order to break Israel’s blockade of food and aid to Palestinians.
Your singular takeaway? Greta don’t impress me much.
You’re profoundly unhelpful in the upward march of humanity.
Someone commented how everyone who isn’t celebrating her is a bot and I explained a different take on that.
You then proceeded to pretend you know what I think and why and that is delusional as you do not know me at all.
You then proceed to suggest that I am brainwashed and a bad person because I don’t share your exact views which seems intensely hypocritical.
You need significant psychological help as you are delusional.
Gaslighting is abuse.
You do not know me nor have I taken a pro-Israel position.
I bet you can’t admit that netanyahu is committing genocide.
No one is gaslighting anyone here. They are under the impression that they can read minds.
Israel is absolutely committing genocide as they have been for years
We do, though, and you have, though.
You never condamned a single israeli crime all you do it to talk about a person you hate for weird reasons. You can go to an unpopularopinion community and trash her as much as you want
this post has no greta in it, can you go the post and say something nice? https://lemmings.world/post/28110379
Not organizing anything? She was just kidnapped for being part of organizing an aide flotilla to a war zone. The fuck are you even talking about?
No, you don’t understand, she didn’t do it the exact perfect way that I want her to do it (yet refuse to explain to anyone for some reason)
Of course! I get it now! And even if she did do things perfectly, there were other people also doing things, she didn’t do it all by herself, so fuck her.
Now you get it!
Sone of us are older and take issue with how much attention she is drawing while not really organizing anything.
Some of you have issues with her message, but have to pretend to dislike the delivery.
I’m really interested to know more about how she’s like Oprah. Can you expand more on that?
She’s a media figure that gets credit for a lot of things others were doing but she is the face for.
She’s doing work but she isn’t organizing.
She’s doing the work but not in a way you like? What work are you doing to improve your community?
She’s being celebrated for being a significant activist IRL who isn’t effective at all. It’s Occupy Wall Street all over again where people get really mad when you actually start asking what the results of that action was.
God damn her for doing the work.
glad she refuses to stand down. keep doing what’s right Greta. don’t let fascists and genociders intimidate you
Greta thunberg is braver than I’ll ever be and if she ran for elections I would vote for her in a heartbeat and if an armed insurrection ever occurred that she supports ever happens I would die for the cause without a second thought
Did anyone figure out why was she in handcuffs in France?
Same reason they have 12 police officers in riot gear walking along side Luigi. To make Greta appear to be a greater threat than she actually is.
Heroic AF
This is all she’s ever done. It’s why I admire her. I wish I could do it as well as her.
This moment will go down in history, hell yeah Greta
