Hi those from all! We’re a women’s only community, men we appreciate your interest but please do not comment 😊

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      13 days ago

      Sorry, I’m not entirely following your statement, who do you consider “women who are men”?

      EDIT: I assume you’re talking about this post’s body text:

      Women only… trans women are women, and transphobic or gender critical talk isn’t allowed. Anyone under the trans umbrella (eg non binary) is welcome

      Are you just suggesting the edit made to the sidebar be made to this body text as well, i.e. that instead the body text says:

      Women only… trans women are women, and transphobic or gender critical talk isn’t allowed. Any woman-identified person under the trans umbrella (e.g. non-binary, bigender, agender) is welcome.

      Not all bigender, agender, or non-binary people identify as women, being listed as examples of trans people who might identify as women and are welcome is not necessary for their inclusion, and the language before is actually more inclusive by stating “anyone under the trans umbrella is welcome”. I’m not sure what problem is being solved here.

      EDIT2: After thinking on it, I guess the idea is that by explicitly listing that non-binary, agender, and bigender people who identify as women can participate might it make some people feel more welcome.

      I don’t think there is anything necessarily wrong with this, but the rule should be read as general, and we don’t want to give the impression that only those kinds of trans people that are listed as examples can participate.

      A trans man like Leslie Feinberg would also be welcome despite being much closer to a binary trans man, for example.

      The rules are more like guidelines than narrowly applied laws, and I just want to avoid implying any variant that isn’t listed is somehow not as welcome, the guideline is meant to work that way (and variants not listed are just as welcome as those that are).

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        12 days ago

        It’s the post body text on this current post we’re replying under.

        men we appreciate your interest but please do not comment

        If a bigender person who is a woman and a man read this, she’ll feel that she’s being told not to comment, because she’s a man. Excluding men will exclude some women, because some women are bigender men.

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          12 days ago

          oh, you’re talking about the body text of this post? This is a meme post, not a rules or policy page.

          We have seen participation from trans men without issue already, I don’t think this body text in a random post is going to make a huge difference - the rules and the sidebar already explicitly includes women-identifying bigender people.

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            11 days ago

            Avoiding microaggressions is an important part of curating a space that feels inclusive. Explicit rules don’t do much to make minorities feel included if those minorities feel that the implicit rules are different from what’s being said. I saw a Reductress article a while ago that really speaks to this issue and made me think. Now, the accusation in the article isn’t what I think is going on here, and I don’t mean to be as confrontational as the article is, but I think it’s a really good read for anyone, and especially anyone curating a women’s space who wants to be trans inclusive.

            https://reductress.com/post/4-inclusive-statements-that-arent-women-and-non-binary-people-i-consider-women/