What’s wrong with opposing cartels?

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    What’s wrong with opposing cartels?

    What’s wrong with opposing terrorists?

    What’s wrong with opposing dictators?

    The answer to all of these is: The western empire declares something/someone an enemy when it wants an excuse to attack it/them. If you take it at face value in a vacuum, it sounds reasonable enough, but historically, it’s almost never about what they say it is about. You can even see this sort of thing in the hundreds of years old colonial civil/savage narrative that lingers some today and the narrative playbook hasn’t changed that much, fundamentally. They’re still doing it to Palestine, for example.

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      The Liberals and Pax Americana always have the practice to redefine words like dictatorship, socialism, communism, capitalism, and even liberalism to create illusion of correlation. Using inaccurate or derogatory labels to confuse people is their usual trick. Their tactic to avoid awareness of the trick is to distract the people with what-if debate on “whether to support the abstract ideological thing that we said are bad” from the realistic debate on “whether we are giving the correct label or definition”.

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        Their tactic to avoid awareness of the trick is to distract the people with what-if debate on “whether to support the abstract ideological thing that we said are bad” from the realistic debate on “whether we are giving the correct label or definition”.

        Well said!

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    The terrorist label gives them legal right (under their crooked framework) to do military actions in México. It’s an excuse to invade México legally in other words.

    The war on terror/war on drugs have only further increased the power of these groups, so no the US does not oppose cartels or terrorists, in fact it supports them materially. Drug dealers in Mexico are armed with AR15s and other american equipment, it’s obvious to anyone.

  • every white tourist across Latin America is going to be fair game

    That’s the settler-colonial paranoia that what they did, which they won’t admit fully, will be done to them. When truth is most oppressed just want the carnage to end, not get revenge.

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      is that what they meant? it reads to me like they were saying the cartels were gonna take revenge which seems like a reasonable assertion.

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      Calling them cartels is wrong, since it implies its a monopoly, which is not. But drug dealers certainly exist in Mexico and they are armed to the teeth with american weapons.

      The “war on drugs” in Mexico was actually an attempt to create a drug cartel, a monopoly, and the result was a disaster that skyrocketed violence in Mexico and other latin american countries that implemented that policy.

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        Your response isn’t contradicting the book’s conclusions. Not sure if you meant that or if I’m misinterpreting your wording but the author is arguing against cartels as depicted in fiction and the media: that cartels are orgs that exist independently of the state and challenge state power. You’re eloquently arguing part of why that understanding is incorrect.

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    The issue is respecting the sovereignty of Mexico. Trump has stated his intentions of couping Sheinbaum, as well as his desire to colonize Mexico and annex it into the empire. Drug gangs are a domestic problem for Mexico, which should be handled internally (and are). Trump wants to use them as pretext to invade to achieve the goals he has previously stated but under the guise of opposing cartels. Not to mention that the war on drugs is what created and sustains those groups but I digress

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    There’s been many ties between cartels and DEA / CIA historically, so this could just be referring to “blowback”?

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    I could be misunderstanding, but I think the point is that the cartels are going to be the ones doing the retaliatory hits.

    Edit: Also and perhaps more pressingly it’s still an invasion of another country to “fight terrorism”, we all know the USA’s track record for that sort of thing.

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    Even terrible people do some things right. Smoking was discouraged and trains ran on time in the Third Reich, but it’s now why we remember it.

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      Two things to say here, one, the “trains ran on time” line was for Fascist Italy, not Nazi Germany, and two, it was never anything more than propaganda made to make people think that the fascist regime was efficient, when in reality it was quite the opposite, it was horribly corrupt and disorganized

      The way that “at least Mussolini made the trains run on time” is still treated as fact by so many people isn’t proof that terrible people do some things right, it’s proof that too many people still fall for literal fascist propaganda

      But I suppose it’s fitting, because “Trump is going to take out the cartels!!” is also little more than propaganda to support a US invasion of Mexico