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… I mean there are dumber things to say.
The US healthcare system is the best healthcare system ever created
In terms of technological advances, or maximizing wellness of the maximum people?
People of wealth travel from all over the world for access to the cutting edge techniques and treatments found in US institutions like mayo clinic and John Hopkins.
The problem is the cost and access is very uneven.
Yes, I would say that makes it bad.
Depends. Everything is a shade of gray.
The advances they come from this system spread across the world. Obviously it isn’t the only way advances are made, and it doesn’t justify the exploitation, but the world certainly benefits from American healthcare research. (Again not implying important advances only come from America)
mayo clinic
I would not go to a practice named after mayonnaise
It’s not,
If you choose based on a name, you’d be missing out on one of the best institutions on the planet
Best for who? Depending on your answer, you are unequivocally right.
If you equate most profitable with best, you may be a capitalist.
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Except the money Americans are taxed gets invested in “Healthcare” only for them to receive no benefit from it. We actually get taxed more than some socialist/less capitalist countries.
Some days I’m glad that I jumped ship from Reddit, and some days I realize that this is the alternative.
Yeah honestly didn’t expect literal communists
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You’re not wrong; OP posted this to Lemmygrad right before here
So what’s the best one then? Communism/ socialism didn’t do very hot either. Unless there’s been some obscure, ancient economic system that I’m not aware of, there hasn’t been a non-theoretical economic system that’s been better than capitalism yet, as flawed as it is.
I get there’s abundant evidence of the issues of the current system and the degenerate strategies it allows, but “capitalism bad haha” is getting stale.
I mean socialism has and dose worked for millions of people. Imho The two main points of failure are imperialistic states like USSR and USA the second thing is authoritarian systems trying to force socialism (often it is just State-capitalism) on to the working class.
Mercantlism.
Yes, it’s considered “proto-Capitalism”, but its very distinct from how Capitalism is implemented in most countries nowadays.
There are dozens of economic models and theories that mix ideas of capitalism and communism.
I should look into it. Truth be told, there’s no pure capitalism or socialism. It’s really a bunch of economic sliders different countries balance more towards one side or the other throughout history. What I meant to say is A) systems that lean enough towards capitalism are the more successful even if they’re far from perfect and B) The way people throw around the “capitalism bad” idea just like that doesn’t help in any way and I’m tired of it. It’s a mix of raw frustration and copypasting of ideas without any real substance.
Most of the reason socialism didn’t do well is because the United States overthrew socialist countries that elected socialism and replaced them with capitalist dictators.
All you folks who downvoted this post, find me a communist country that the US didn’t try to coup
There’s a lot of things you obviously aren’t aware of. Socialism is very successful across the board. The thing is, you are conflating leninists, or state communism with all communism and socialism. Which is wrong. But expected of someone educated especially in the United States and possibly other Western countries.
It might even surprise you to learn that a large swath of communist and socialists are often anti-state. There are communes all over the world that have been running successfully for a long time. You don’t hear much about them simply because there isn’t much to radicalize people against them with. If anything you hear people ridiculing them but little else.
Fail to guess where I live: check
Fail to provide actual, concrete examples backed with evidence: check
Condescending: check
Cool story, bro
The true irony of it is that you’re guilty of everything you accuse. Could you give an any concrete evidence etc. Maybe you would have earned some in return. Either way have a good day.
The dumbest man says capitalism is the best possible economic system. This guy is right if he’s referring to global economic systems, because it’s been the only global economic system.
What would another global economic system even look like? Can it even be something else?
That is the real question. Communism is the main competition. We could try something in between like syndicalism, or some other version of socialism. But everything is theory because we’ve never tried a different system.
Communism could only work if everyone, seemingly under some hypnosis, all decided to discard wealth and possession and status and everything, all at once.
If any meaningful fraction of the population retains capitalism, the influence of personal gain would override, as it has in the past.
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More than 1/6th of the world still is, and it’s working spectacularly for them
This is such a goofy thing to say imo
Yes and no it was an authoritarian communism system (there are many subtypes of communism and even more subtypes of socialism) also you could argue if they were communist at all depending where you standing on the autocratic-libertarian spectrum since libertarians/Anarchists would say that the point of communism is not that the state owns the means of the production but the people themselves.
Feudalism?
Global feudalism would be kinda weird, but theoretically it’s possible.
Theoretically? It’s already happened. It was the dominant economic system across the world for a while including during the colonization of north America. It was fudalists who conquered large parts of the world. International trade is older than capitalism.
Me irl watching this comment section in flames.
As far as I know even Marx said so.
Marxists aren’t, or shouldn’t be, dogmatic. It’s the method that they uphold. Plus, Marx didn’t live to see the USSR, China, Cuba, etc, so it’s not possible to know whether he would maintain that position (taking your claim at face value).
Marx stated, that capitalism is a necessary step in the evolution of economy, and is better than anything before it and worse than communism. So the real question is whether he would have considered the aformentioned countries as ones that achived communism.
Depends on the context. Maybe he means best at making lines go up??
thats all that matters right? /s
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