• Alien Nathan Edward
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    111 months ago

    The funniest part of this is the part where we assume libertarians are being honest and acting in good faith

  • CIWS-30
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    111 months ago

    Republicans don’t want small government, they want a fascist police state and a corrupt military industrial complex to oppress people around the world to steal their shit while funding profitable wars for their contractors.

    I think the last 2 people who wanted small government and balanced budgets were like John McCain (dead) and John Kasich (retired, but endorsed Joe Biden in 2020) and they’re no longer relevant.

    Honestly, as a party, they need to go. I want an opposition party to the Democrats, but they’re not it. Hell, America really needs ranked choice voting and more open primaries, and probably 4 major political parties.

    • @SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml
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      011 months ago

      Interesting, the only thing that sets apart the US from being another Russia is the fact that the GOP has to switch with the democratic party every few years

  • @PerCarita@discuss.tchncs.de
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    US American Democrats aren’t much better. I mean, sure, pro-choice, environmental policies, etc, but their economic policies? Haven’t been great for the working class at least since Bill Clinton’s era.

    *It seems like I have to explain myself, I’m a socialist. I’m very left leaning, very pro regulations, it doesn’t trickle down. Bill Clinton signed NAFTA, he was very openly Neoliberal. (And, btw, Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was also from his era). Obama, however charming, did little to bring the dignity of work back to the US, he instead played the respectability politics, pull yourself up by the bootstraps through higher education (which was not available for everyone).

    • @ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      It’s their firearms policy for me, the economic stuff is just the icing on the cake. I’m literally in the industry, so I know a thing or two about firearms and the laws regarding them, and watching the democrat party be so wrong about the basic functionality of a semi auto rifle or the current laws we already have, or what the one they’re proposing will do (spoiler alert: it’ll disproportionately affect minorities just like drug laws and stop and frisk) that they’re either intentionally misleading the public or have no business making decisions on the matter as they are woefully uninformed has made it so now I can’t trust anything they say. It’d be like if you know a lot about cars and then I come on talking about how a catback makes your car faster and more deadly should you try to Charlestown someone so we need to ban them, immediately you’d know I’m a moron and disregard everything I say, same for the entire dem party and firearms.

      • @PerCarita@discuss.tchncs.de
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        011 months ago

        Firearms usage in the US is dysfunctional anyway. It causes heightened tensions in every situation. I don’t know how it can ever be better.

        • @ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          011 months ago

          Well tbf I’d rather be heightened than stabbed, and the presence of a firearm has prevented me from being stabbed at least once, so net win.

            • @ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              011 months ago

              Well, besides the fact that that is a very poor plan that is more likely to get you shot than “leaving someone alone,” you should look into the concept of “concealed” carry. Idk, maybe he did have X-Ray vision, but somehow I doubt that.

              • @PerCarita@discuss.tchncs.de
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                011 months ago

                I never owned a gun in my life, but I also have never lived in a country where guns are widely available. Well, I lived in Brazil for a spell, but not in a gun toting neighbourhood, though some of the farmers had air rifles

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                  Cool, but I assume you’re still able to connect the concept of “concealed” to your theory to see that it has pretty big holes. He didn’t know I had a gun until he pulled a knife on me and I showed him, so he couldn’t have pulled it in effort to murder me at for being an open carrying person minding their business, as I was concealed carrying not open carrying.

                  Furthermore, once he saw it, he decided to leave for some strange reason, so that’s another hole in the theory that he likes to use inferior armaments to murder innocent people for having a different armament than he does.

                  Your theory is flawed, sir individual.

  • Pagliacci
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    011 months ago

    I do think libertarianism has some principles and concepts that are valuable, I would have even called myself libertarian-ish at certain points, but over the years it’s fallen into a similar bucket as communism from my perspective.

    It’s an attractive system until you start introducing the people.

    • @PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com
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      111 months ago

      I did call myself a libertarian at a certain point. Then I realized it’s trash. The political philosophy itself is stupid.

      “Liberty is the most fundamental right.” Why? Who says? Why not…idk, caring for others and being cared for in return?

      It’s an ideology of selfishness fundamentally. And it only makes sense that it was started by a bunch of selfish rich assholes, the same people who champion it now.

      • @Blackmist@feddit.uk
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        111 months ago

        It’s the sort of thing that people think they are until they look around and it’s just people who don’t want to pay taxes, and by extension believe that poor people deserve to die.

        Republicans are just libertarians who’ve realised they can weaponise the crazies to win elections.

  • @Yendor@sh.itjust.works
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    011 months ago

    It’s weird seeing American “libertarians”. In Australia, the Liberal Democrat Party were the first to support same sex marriage and drug decriminalisation (even before the far-left Greens) and have long supported peoples right to decide for themselves on euthanasia and abortion. They’ve been the only voice against the governments overreach on internet filtering and their power to secretly force companies to write backdoors into their software. So basically the opposite of American “libertarians”.

    After winning some seats about 8-10 years ago, the major parties realised they could marginalise the LDP on issues like gun control, which most Australians know nothing about but support with blind enthusiasm anyway. So we’re back to the stats-quo of 4 parties, Lib/Nat vs Labor/Greens.

    • Zorque
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      111 months ago

      Libertarianism in the US is all about personal liberty, basically about being able to do whatever they want and fuck anyone else’s needs or desires.