Hey everyone. If you want to post links or discuss the Reddit blackout, please localize it to this thread in order to keep things tidy!
Hey everyone. If you want to post links or discuss the Reddit blackout, please localize it to this thread in order to keep things tidy!
Frankly, I think it’s entirely because of the self-selected nature of the people migrating, and the fact that the whole federation thing is mildly confusing so only people who have made sense of it and worked out how it works are here. If/when it becomes more obvious and popular beyond early-adopters, it’ll be targeted by all the same bots and propagandists and chudiots as anywhere else.
It’s practically the same reason reddit and other online communities were so much better a decade ago - idiots simply couldn’t find their way to them / it was “icky nerd shit”.
If you want people on your level, the trick is to focus on more esoteric communities within the platforms. r/okbuddyphd has been a recent favourite haunt of mine over there. I still visit the front page, but I go in with an “ambassador” sort of mindset and fully expect to get shit thrown at me.
It makes me giddy to think of how fast people are working on readers/apps for Lemmy that will make all of this way easier for more people to adopt.
Yeah, but i feel there’s a lot to be done in the base lemmy protocol too - such as migrating your account to another server - should the current one fall etc etc
Of course mastodon is the most mature in this regard, I hope lemmy does too
But since we can make our own instances easily, we can get rid of the rif raf more easily than on reddit
I really hope this doesn’t lead to people forming their own echo chambers and instances become tribes who hate on each other
Well, it’s bound to happen to some extent (e.g.: instances blocking lemmygrad), but you have a lot of power to mitigate this effect as an individual user. By default, nothing’s blocked, so it’s on you as a user if you choose to “live” somewhere that’s interested in proscribing undesirables.
It’s not a perfect solution. Perhaps leadership changes (or you change) and suddenly your interests are no longer aligned. Nobody wants to get stranded! Eventually maybe user migrations will be a thing, but for now we’ll just have to do our best to choose our home-bases wisely based on our own ideological and practical needs (SDF represent!)
If Lemmy grows to significant size the politics are going to be crazy, if just as ignorable as the Reddit mod politics. There’s many times more moving parts now, it’s like going from a single city-state to feudalism.
Also, SDF represent!
SDF?
Our instance, which is an outgrowth of a group that’s been on the internet since '87.
What happened / happens with lemmygrad?
I believe it’s a fully Marxist space, therefore has some actual tankies and a whole mass of people who will get called tankies. Then a whole lot of people froth at the mouth both at real and at imagined tankies, and will no doubt eventually try to exile anyone they perceive as committing thought crimes.
It’s probably easiest to just link you there and let you form your own opinion: !genzedong@lemmygrad.ml.
As you can see, it’s quite the motley crew. Among everyone else, you can find some number of both hardboiled communists and irony-poisoned trolls. Admins who block lemmygrad generally take issue with either the communists or the trolls – sometimes both.
With that being said: is blocking lemmygrad merely FUD or actually justifiable from a pure admin-overhead perspective? I don’t admin an instance, so I’m not going to talk out my ass and say one way or the other. I’d love to hear the thoughts of any random instance admins who might be lurking in the comments, though.
It’s OK to choose not to hang out socially with people who intend to murder you as soon as they can get away with it.
Hell, it’s OK to choose not to hang out socially with people who joke about intending to murder you as soon as they can get away with it.
(And as we see with fascist recruiting in “trolling” spaces, there’s a well-trodden path from joking to serious about murdering you.)
I already found my way, commented and subscribed to other instances from beehaw and I wasn’t even aware I did it at first, tbh. I don’t know if they all connverse seamlessly like that, but hopefully we will be able to keep it nice and civil.
Can you though? There have to be communities to join, and they are what get polluted. As I understand it, switching instances won’t help.
Someone then has to police a community if you want to “get rid of the riff-raff” and they will follow who-knows-what criteria for their policing. Just look at all the right-wing subreddits for an example of how policing doesn’t necessarily raise the quality of discussion.
I mean, you could have a tightly moderated subreddit over there too.
I think you’re right. It seems like there’s a pattern for every new platform.
Early adopters make the the site fun, valuable, and worth while
People start to notice and the platform grows, becoming slightly worse, but still pretty cool.
Platform explodes in popularity and it goes to complete shit.
It’s happened with Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Reddit. I’m sure that day will come for this place as well. I guess we’ll just need to enjoy it while it lasts.
But I think a piece of this that’s important to remember is the messed up incentives that most platforms have had beginning around the time they took on serious funds from big investors.
From the moment you bring in serious investment dollars from Silicon Valley funds and SV wannabes, your incentive is no longer to build something that seriously delights users just for the sake of delighting users, everything is in service to shareholder value.
Reddit is perhaps the most classic example of our time of a truly wonderful platform being destroyed by shareholder value coming first.
Couldn’t agree more, there’s definitely a bit of a barrier that potentially the average joe wouldn’t bother with.
I think the instance thing makes botting a bit easier to avoid if they make them in a new instance. Idk