I seriously cannot have any degree of nuanced conversation here.
Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.
The result just feels like an echo chamber where no actual solutions get presented other than someone posting whole ass dissertations on their 33-step (where 30/33 steps are about as vague as “we’ll just handle it”) plan to fully convert the world to an anarchist commune.
Edit: I still vastly prefer Lemmy and the fediverse and a whole, my complaint here is that many of you are TOO INTENSE. You blow up small scale discussion.
It’s not a Lemmy thing, it’s an internet thing. People have become lazy and instead of discussing things will just vote and move on.
Makes for a very boring and stale world.
Agreed. I voted as soon as I saw the spelling mistake. We don’t applaud a tenor if he can’t clear his throat, as they say.
It’s to a greater intensity on Lemmy than anywhere else except right wing spaces.
That depends very heavily on how you engage with lemmy. Lemmy isn’t a monolith and different communities have very different energies. Some are toxic, many are not. My feed is not terribly toxic like many of you all describe.
If you don’t notice toxicity it means you have a very standard, milquetoast, agreeable personality with absolutely no controversial opinions.
Which is fine! I’m not knocking you!
But to give an example how this ruins it for you and everyone: Questions will get posted like “What’s a controversial opinion you have of…”
The top comment isn’t controversial at all. It’s hated by some big social ‘bogey man’, but it’s not controversial at all.
I made the mistake of commenting a REAL controversial opinion - most downvoted comment in the entire thread.
This results in echo chambers and low-effort jokes (because they’re inoffensive). Dissent is buried.
Some of the funniest shit I’ve ever read is from 4chan (green-texts and memes) cos they’re dripping in irony and sarcasm. They aren’t tying to be nice. 4chan is also the place I’ve had my views challenged the most and I love that!
I firmly believe (and practice) downvotes only for spam and irrelevant bullshit.
Is it not? Or is it just full of takes that you agree with?
I don’t see as much toxicity or general baiting in my feed.
Maybe it’s because a lot of Lemmy users came from reddit, where presumably only a minority of those accounts had a lot of karma. Seems somewhat plausible to me, because the inhibition threshold to leave reddit for Lemmy would be higher if you weren’t just a lurker.
I’ve tried an instance without downvotes for a few days, it’s interesting to see views that would otherwise be heavily downvoted
How are you finding it? I generally hide vote counts and other social metrics where I can, but that’s not the same
Pretty good so far, I might advocate for this more