• alliswell33
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    The Biden admin was already in a tough spot with voters before they supported Israel. Now they have sealed the deal and have no chance of winning. We will slip farther into fascism because of genocide Joe.

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      What exactly was this representative looking for? What are they going to bring to the table that merits the White House bringing them in to consult on the Middle East? Huffpost laid out what their grievance was, and it seems like it’s just because they are the leader of the House of Representatives in Michigan.

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        How are we supposed to achieve peace in the Middle East unless the concerns of Michiganders are addressed?

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          Maybe by talking to Prime Minister Patrick Achi of the Republic of Côte d’Ivoire

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        Lmao. Arab and a leader in the Michigan republican party? That has leopard ate my face material written all over it.

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      Biden is standing by our allies and not throwing them under the bus in a time of need, he made the right call. If he loses due to this demographic it’s because young Arabic Americans are evidently more sympathetic to Hamas and Palestine than the Jews they are trying to genocide. America does not throw its allies under the bus because it’s popular or expedient short term. At least I hope we never become like that.

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          • Hamas was elected to power by Palestinians in Gaza last time they had an election
          • 72% of Palestinians still approve of Hamas and October 7th
          • Hamas is comprised of Palestinians

          These are not unrelated groups. One might say they represent the interests of their constituency in a twisted self-destructive way.

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            [edit: you upvote your own posts? poor form]

            Hamas was elected to power by Palestinians in Gaza last time they had an election

            When was the last time they had an election anyway? While where at it who was it who funded them again?

            Hamas is comprised of Palestinians

            The Manson Family was comprised of Californians.

            These are not unrelated groups.

            They are not equivalent groups

            72% of Palestinians still approve of Hamas and October 7th

            While I wonder where you got that stat (who is running around with surveys while hospitals are bombed and people are displaced?) what do you suppose you might approve of if you were experiencing apartheid and genocide?

            One might say they represent the interests of their constituency in a twisted self-destructive way.

            Do those interests (not being Nakba’d) have any legitimacy would you say?

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              As I stated above, hamas still has popular support and would win another election if they held one today. Here’s my source for that figure.

              what do you suppose you might approve of if you were experiencing apartheid and genocide?

              Neither of these terms are accurate, Palestinians are in their current situation not because of genetics, but because their nation keeps murdering Jews unprovoked. Unlike Hamas who explicitly wants to destroy Israel and murder Jews, Israel has always claimed they do not intend to destroy Palestineans in whole or in part. I oppose genocide and the genocidal, which is why I support Israel. Meanwhile, genocide of Jews is incredibly popular in Palestine and is their government’s stated goal.

              Do those interests (not being Nakba’d) have any legitimacy would you say?

              Those who remained peaceful and stayed in Israel through the nakaba seem to be doing quite well, comparatively. Said annexations were yet another consequence of choosing violence. Frankly, it doesn’t matter how legitimate they believe their claims are, they don’t have the means to annex said lands. One cannot win a conflict with righteous outrage alone, at some point they have to acknowledge the realities of their situation and choose to compromise, or they will lose everything one settlement at a time.

              upvote your own posts? poor form

              Damn right I upvote my own posts, most social media platforms do this by default, and I find it very amusing that others care.

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                unprovoked

                The Nakba never happened? Wow.

                Those who remained peaceful and stayed in Israel through the nakaba seem to be doing quite well, comparatively.

                Why should anyone havebeen expected to put up with the Nakbah though? These people still have keys to stolen houses they were kicked out of.

                Israel has always claimed they do not intend to destroy Palestineans in whole or in part.

                Oh word?

                Damn right I upvote my own posts, most social media platforms do this by default, and I find it very amusing that others care.

                It’s like clapping for your own poem.

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                  I never said it didn’t happen, I’m saying that the annexations were arguably justified. Once again, those who remained and stayed peaceful are doing quite well. It was those who left to join the belligerents or who fled that were not allowed to return. Given that Israel has been under attack since day one, I can understand why they want defensible borders and territories.

                  Your link is about a gathering of settlers, I’m at a loss why you included it, do you think they represent Israel as a whole?

                  Well then most social media sites have users, “applaud their own poems,” by default. Never seen anyone complain about this on other platforms.