I’m not very informed on modern China and there’s a ton of sources accusing China of killing and even harvesting organs from Uyghurs and Falun Gong believers.
Is there any truth to those claims or is it all 
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I’m not very informed on modern China and there’s a ton of sources accusing China of killing and even harvesting organs from Uyghurs and Falun Gong believers.
Is there any truth to those claims or is it all ?
Another whole angle of this I was thinking about the other day - you actually CANNOT just genocide a group of people without them responding in some way. People can tell when the atmosphere of the state they’re living in is turning towards genocide against them (and a culture preparing for a genocide to the point of ordinary citizens accepting it generates a HUGE amount of propaganda, which there is obviously no evidence of in China). Before WW2 there were millions of Jewish refugees, and during it there were Jewish militias and partizans fighting back. Colonized countries rose up again and again to throw out the colonists who were exploiting and killing them. And now Israel is showing exactly what happens in the modern day if you try to annihilate an entire population: absolutely intractable guerilla warfare. Israel would love to just send in the army and gun down all 2 million people in Gaza, but they CAN’T because their army would be torn to shreds.
So to suggest the people of Xinjiang - which shares hundreds of miles of desert-mountain borders with Afghanistan and Pakistan - would just meekly accept a million people (literally 1/20th of the population!) disappearing without fighting back using the enormous amount of weaponry and guerilla warfare expertise within a trivial distance of them, or even just trying to escape with their lives, is outright infantilizing. WW2 shows they would fight back, the history of decolonial movements shows they would fight back, Gaza shows they would fight back, and the total lack of such a violent conflict in Xinjiang shows that whatever is happening there is not a genocide.
Yeah this is what I’ve tried saying to people. Genocides breed active resistance. People don’t just stand in line to get genocided, they panic, the state will get sloppy too and try to rewrite reality as it’s happening. Or they have to employ the worst sort of violent oafs to carry out the violence, and it generally spills out into massive conflict. There hasn’t been anything like that in Xinjiang from what I know
I tried to find out about the uyghur situation so I went to Wikipedia. The first source not pay walled I could find, I had to dig 4 sources after that to find out the primary source referenced as evidence for the genocide was written by a fed employed at the victims of communism memorial non profit.
I’m deeply suspicious of any state but I think it is impossible to be informed on the situation given the atmosphere in the West that China bad.
That’s the other thing, if there was a genocide going on you would see millions of people fleeing to nearby nations as refugees. There are virtually no Uighur refugees in neighboring countries. Unless you think they were all gunned down by the PLA or the armies of nearby countries. But that sort of thing is impossible to hide.
Wow, the mighty IDF with all its weapons really fucked up with the annihilation of the Gazans in the last 75 years, that’s some mighty incompetence there. /s