EDIT: no, I don’t sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they’re losing an argument ;)

  • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]English
    4•10 months ago

    Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand

    michael-laugh

    That’s incredible, I honestly did not see that one coming.

    So tell me, what’s your best guess at what Chinese life expectancy was before the CPC came to power, and what do you think it is now? Do you dispute the numbers from before the communists were even in power? Or do you think they’re still living in mud huts?

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]English
      3•10 months ago

      The Fountainhead is a novel about an American architect that has nothing to do with China. They’re doing a weird bit, presumably about how evil tankies asking them to read books is cheating.

      • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]English
        2•10 months ago

        Yeah I got that, at least after they posted a rickroll. Guess being an idiot is a defense mechanism when they realized they had nothing.

          • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]English
            2•10 months ago

            Oh, so you consider Deng’s reforms to be right-deviationist? Are you a Maoist, then?

            Whether you consider the CPC to be communist or not, the fact still remains that they’ve made a lot of improvements in the lives of the average Chinese person.

            • @mustardman@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
              1•10 months ago

              Deng was alive and well when two of those stock exchanges were opened and the whole argument was “look at the improvements only possible under Communism”.

              How do you say “moving the goalposts” in Mandarin? Actually, no need to answer as you are all suburban petit bourgeois kids from the US.

              • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]English
                2•10 months ago

                Deng was alive and well when two of those stock exchanges were opened

                That’s… what I said? Obviously, Deng was the one who implemented economic reforms, such as opening stock exchanges and allowing foreign investment. Some Maoists consider this to be right-deviationist and counter-revolutionary, and that he should’ve continued more in line with Mao’s policies. That’s why I asked if you’re a Maoist, since you consider his reforms incompatible with socialism.

                I’m not sure who’s whole argument was “look at the improvements only possible under Communism.” China’s conditions were much worse off than places like the US, so obviously it’s possible to improve conditions to be better than per-revolutionary China (which is not saying much) without communism. It’s just that in China’s case, it was the communists that did it.

                  • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]English
                    2•10 months ago

                    Over 60, actually. I think that doubling live expectancy over a single generation is, in fact, pretty impressive.

                    So I take it you’re not a Maoist or a Dengist. Can you tell me who you think should’ve been in power in China instead? The KMT? You can see how much they did on the graph, if you don’t find the CPC’s numbers impressive then I’m sure you’d hate them even more. The invading Japanese perhaps? The European colonizers? Or maybe you think the Qing dynasty should never have been overthrown.