Dude, get over it. Your precious company has enabled all the industry illnesses I mentioned and more, and all the pushback that the company gets for it is the owner being rewarded with seven yachts
Because obviously, modern corporate dehumanizing cash-grabbing culture is not a systemic issue present in any modern corporation, if Valve hasn’t invented the monetization strategies, they wouldn’t have appeared anywhere else, smh
calling proton a “wine fork” is akin to calling a linux distro a “kernel fork”
It is a wine fork, and wouldn’t exist without the initial contributions that made wine, the actual hero of this story, in the first place. Next.
I see that you’re utterly unable to comprehend nuance, that, or you struggle with analogies. Let me bird-feed you what you just cited then:
Yes, proton, at the very basic level, is a wine fork. But, unlike wine, it does miriads of things that wine doesn’t. Namely, it translates directx calls into vulkan ones. Proton was the first to integrate esync and fsync. Mind i tell you, that fsync support came to the vanilla wine only recently? On top of that, proton offers everything in a single bundled, working out of the box package, Unlike with wine, where you always had to tinker, install with winetricks or similar kind of bs. Just like it is with Linux kernel — “the actual hero”, and “evil” distribution maintainers.
Second, Valve never “fucked over game ownership”,
Explain Steam to me then…
You won’t read the whole paragraph? Yk, that tells about how intellectual property always was problematic, and all that stuff? Dunno, seems like an important context to understand what i’m trying to say…
Valve hasn’t invented DRM in games, especially since we’re talking about simple copy prevention by binding a game copy to a specific user account. CD keys and other copy-prevention methods existed long before that. Case in point, right about the time Half-Life 2 was released, little russian company known as Starforce technologies started to license their infamous DRM to studios such as Ubisoft and CodeMasters. Trust me when i say that it was marginally worse than what Valve did.
Mind you, what they did back there wasn’t the most pro-consumer action on their behalf. It just wasn’t as big of a deal as you think. Either you haven’t read past the cited sentence, or your reading and nuance comprehension is so bad that you failed to see my point in the first place.
I’m sure you’ll find some way to blame literally any other party but Valve for things that Valve has done.
nah, you just failed to see my point.
Yeah, same Valve that sells in-game diamond rings for $100 and lootbox keys for $5.
Yes, once again, entirely optional, purely cosmetic diamond rings, original authors of which are other players, that receive returns from every purchase.
Propaganda. It is monopolist because it is.
Yeah? What did they do to not only become a monopoly, but also stay one through all the years? It’s not like something is actively preventing users from using any other store. Case in point, Itch.io is pretty popular amongst indie devs. At this point you’re just spouting loud words.
Also, your reasoning couldn’t be more lazy.
Microsoft contributes to FOSS too. Tell me about how Bill Gates or Satya Nadella are cool people then.
Uh huh, by forcing windows developers VisualStudio down their throats, having its own standard of c++, developing their own java to instill more control, then by buying Github and slopifying it. Tell me about it.
The only thing they actually do about FOSS is paying few developers to maintain the Linux kernel.
Oh I’d be terrified of this world alright. The world where CEOs do all sorts of bad stuff and they get praised for it even as we lose ownership rights or more.
Except what you described is the world we’re living in right now. For instance, someone like Bobby Kotick is reverd among corpos, and was compensated handsomely for his leave. Time to start getting anxious ig.
You don’t become a billionaire by “”“offering good services”“”…
Sorry, didn’t realize i was talking to a billionaire. You must be speaking from the mountains of experience you certainly have behind your back?
All billionaires should not have this wealth while other people don’t even have a roof above them. End of.
And i shouldn’t have had keratoconus on both eyes by the ripe age of 22, hunger shouldn’t exist, Santa should be real, and people should be smart and wise…
…enough to at least understand that life is full of crap and that some ideas never meant to be, regardless of how good they sound on paper… Yet here we are.
Sorry to disappoint, but billionaires exist, and they will remain existing unless we make something about that fact. Go on, make a career in politics and tax 'em all!
What i’m trying to say, unfortunately it’s always easier said than done. Especially when it’s something as shallow and trivial as “Wealth inequality is unjust and shouldn’t exist”.
I’ve been accused of simping for Gabe. Nd while it can certainly seem to be the case, especially when you’re actively avoiding any sort of nuance in your judgement, I’m not a fan of his. He made bad decisions, the aforementioned HL2 launch situation is one of those. Another example would be the absolutely laughable launch and then shut down of Artifact. And i still don’t understand who tf came up with the idea of CS2. Also, I won’t ever get what’s so thrilling about something as hedonistic as collecting the fucking yachts.
That said, when i compare Valve to other corpos, i can’t but notice the positive influence. How many artists and modelers started out from submitting their works for tf2/dota2/cs:go? How many animators started from SFM? How many people became indie devs thanks to the existence of the Steam greenlight? How many people switched over to linux thanks to proton?
Now name me a single other corpo that had similar positive effects on so many people in so many aspects.
I’m simply placing credit where credit is due, plus, ngl, i kinda hate people like you — people with the clinical case of tribalism, always dividing people and their actions into binary categories, because doing that is always just that much more easy than turning on your brain for a good minute to study and analyze the reality around yourself. You’re a prisoner of your utterly childish worldview, which you have not the slightest idea on how to implement into reality, yet you sure as hell is very loud about. “All billionaires should not have this wealth while other people don’t even have a roof above them.”? Well, duh, congrats on grasping the basics of morality, genius. What a profound take, how didn’t i come up with it myself?
While saying something like that makes you feel good by creating the illusion of the moral high ground, the “profound” words you spouted carry no substance. Tell me, do people like you ever have the slightest bit controversial thoughts, or are you 1:1 human equivalent of a highly-censored corporate llm?
Whatever. Go get your shilling paycheck from billionaire Gabe. Again, I hope it is more than $0, cause nobody deserves to defend a rich asshole for free, everyone deserves a paycheck for doing things well. <3
That said there’s one point I noticed that’s making me feel very icky.
How many artists and modelers started out from submitting their works for tf2/dota2/cs:go? How many animators started from SFM? How many people became indie devs thanks to the existence of the Steam greenlight? How many people switched over to linux thanks to proton?
Wow. You’re saying this as if level designers haven’t started their careers by making custom levels for Doom, literally one of the earlier indie games by creator id. Hell, you’re giving the discontinued popularity gate called greenlight more credit than it deserves. The truth is Valve wouldn’t be here today without the Quake engine that id themselves made - they’ve driven more innovation than valve’s regression and capitalism sold as innovation. Yes, indie games existed before Valve has, shocker I know.
And as for Linux, once again, *wine. Even then, I switched to Linux and stayed because the basic experience has been elevated, and all of that without using any Valve software. If the experience isn’t better than it was before, I’d just go back to Windows. Besides, what is the point of Linux if I end up changing my unaccountable corporate master for another unaccountable corporate master, Valve?
I know all of this will fly over your head. This is for everyone else in the room who thinks a little bit of “good things” absolve one of responsibility. I can totally say Microsoft Windows was a positive influence because it made computing easy to access and develop for, but understandably nobody’s going to forgive them for the billion bad things they’ve done in turn.
How many artists and modelers started out from submitting their works for tf2/dota2/cs:go? How many animators started from SFM? How many people became indie devs thanks to the existence of the Steam greenlight? How many people switched over to linux thanks to proton?
Wow. You’re saying this as if level designers haven’t started their careers by making custom levels for Doom,
How do my words deny the provided statement in any way? How your words disprove the cited statement?
The truth is Valve wouldn’t be here today without the Quake engine that id themselves made…
And Quake engine wouldn’t exist without C++, C++ wouldn’t exist without C, C wouldn’t exist without assembler, and so on and so forth. That’s how progress works. Inventing a wheel from scratch every time is hella stupid, and so is your take, captain obvious. Like everyone who licenced the ID Tech engine at the time, Valve built a huge amount of technology on top of it.
Come on, you’re no longer even trying.
valve’s regression
regression in what, dare i ask?
And as for Linux, once again, *wine. Even then, I switched to Linux and stayed because the basic experience has been elevated, and all of that without using any Valve software.
cool, but that’s your personal experience, which is far from being universal.
Besides, what is the point of Linux if I end up changing my unaccountable corporate master for another unaccountable corporate master, Valve?
define “unaccountable corporate master”, and explain to me how did you manage to put a game publisher under a term like this.
I can totally say Microsoft Windows was a positive influence because it made computing easy to access and develop for, but understandably nobody’s going to forgive them
You could… In an alternate reality where Windows is the only OS ever existed.
So now you’re just babbling for the sake of babbling, coming up with the most braindead takes possible, while ignoring practically everything i say because i don’t fall under the criteria of your tribe, thus inherently being a corpo billionaire shill. With this behaviour you’re only proving my words about your inability to see nuance. I hope you’re a kid, because that would at least mean some potential for intellectual development in the future.
So now you’re just babbling for the sake of babbling, coming up with the most braindead takes possible, while ignoring practically everything i say because i don’t fall under the criteria of your tribe, thus inherently being a corpo billionaire shill. With this behaviour you’re only proving my words about your inability to see nuance. I hope you’re a kid, because that would at least mean some potential for intellectual development in the future.
Cool story bro. btw, buy a mirror instead of using me as yours. I hope Gabe gives you a dollar to buy that mirror.
define “unaccountable corporate master”, and explain to me how did you manage to put a game publisher under a term like this.
What a stupid question. See everything I have literally said directly to you. Read my replies and find out the answer. As someone once said, let’s stop before you embarrass yourself further.
Because obviously, modern corporate dehumanizing cash-grabbing culture is not a systemic issue present in any modern corporation, if Valve hasn’t invented the monetization strategies, they wouldn’t have appeared anywhere else, smh
I see that you’re utterly unable to comprehend nuance, that, or you struggle with analogies. Let me bird-feed you what you just cited then:
Yes, proton, at the very basic level, is a wine fork. But, unlike wine, it does miriads of things that wine doesn’t. Namely, it translates directx calls into vulkan ones. Proton was the first to integrate esync and fsync. Mind i tell you, that fsync support came to the vanilla wine only recently? On top of that, proton offers everything in a single bundled, working out of the box package, Unlike with wine, where you always had to tinker, install with winetricks or similar kind of bs. Just like it is with Linux kernel — “the actual hero”, and “evil” distribution maintainers.
You won’t read the whole paragraph? Yk, that tells about how intellectual property always was problematic, and all that stuff? Dunno, seems like an important context to understand what i’m trying to say…
Valve hasn’t invented DRM in games, especially since we’re talking about simple copy prevention by binding a game copy to a specific user account. CD keys and other copy-prevention methods existed long before that. Case in point, right about the time Half-Life 2 was released, little russian company known as Starforce technologies started to license their infamous DRM to studios such as Ubisoft and CodeMasters. Trust me when i say that it was marginally worse than what Valve did.
Mind you, what they did back there wasn’t the most pro-consumer action on their behalf. It just wasn’t as big of a deal as you think. Either you haven’t read past the cited sentence, or your reading and nuance comprehension is so bad that you failed to see my point in the first place.
nah, you just failed to see my point.
Yes, once again, entirely optional, purely cosmetic diamond rings, original authors of which are other players, that receive returns from every purchase.
Yeah? What did they do to not only become a monopoly, but also stay one through all the years? It’s not like something is actively preventing users from using any other store. Case in point, Itch.io is pretty popular amongst indie devs. At this point you’re just spouting loud words.
Also, your reasoning couldn’t be more lazy.
Uh huh, by forcing windows developers VisualStudio down their throats, having its own standard of c++, developing their own java to instill more control, then by buying Github and slopifying it. Tell me about it.
The only thing they actually do about FOSS is paying few developers to maintain the Linux kernel.
Except what you described is the world we’re living in right now. For instance, someone like Bobby Kotick is reverd among corpos, and was compensated handsomely for his leave. Time to start getting anxious ig.
Sorry, didn’t realize i was talking to a billionaire. You must be speaking from the mountains of experience you certainly have behind your back?
And i shouldn’t have had keratoconus on both eyes by the ripe age of 22, hunger shouldn’t exist, Santa should be real, and people should be smart and wise…
…enough to at least understand that life is full of crap and that some ideas never meant to be, regardless of how good they sound on paper… Yet here we are.
Sorry to disappoint, but billionaires exist, and they will remain existing unless we make something about that fact. Go on, make a career in politics and tax 'em all!
What i’m trying to say, unfortunately it’s always easier said than done. Especially when it’s something as shallow and trivial as “Wealth inequality is unjust and shouldn’t exist”.
I’ve been accused of simping for Gabe. Nd while it can certainly seem to be the case, especially when you’re actively avoiding any sort of nuance in your judgement, I’m not a fan of his. He made bad decisions, the aforementioned HL2 launch situation is one of those. Another example would be the absolutely laughable launch and then shut down of Artifact. And i still don’t understand who tf came up with the idea of CS2. Also, I won’t ever get what’s so thrilling about something as hedonistic as collecting the fucking yachts.
That said, when i compare Valve to other corpos, i can’t but notice the positive influence. How many artists and modelers started out from submitting their works for tf2/dota2/cs:go? How many animators started from SFM? How many people became indie devs thanks to the existence of the Steam greenlight? How many people switched over to linux thanks to proton?
Now name me a single other corpo that had similar positive effects on so many people in so many aspects.
I’m simply placing credit where credit is due, plus, ngl, i kinda hate people like you — people with the clinical case of tribalism, always dividing people and their actions into binary categories, because doing that is always just that much more easy than turning on your brain for a good minute to study and analyze the reality around yourself. You’re a prisoner of your utterly childish worldview, which you have not the slightest idea on how to implement into reality, yet you sure as hell is very loud about. “All billionaires should not have this wealth while other people don’t even have a roof above them.”? Well, duh, congrats on grasping the basics of morality, genius. What a profound take, how didn’t i come up with it myself?
While saying something like that makes you feel good by creating the illusion of the moral high ground, the “profound” words you spouted carry no substance. Tell me, do people like you ever have the slightest bit controversial thoughts, or are you 1:1 human equivalent of a highly-censored corporate llm?
Billionaires bad? Boo, get new better material!
Whatever. Go get your shilling paycheck from billionaire Gabe. Again, I hope it is more than $0, cause nobody deserves to defend a rich asshole for free, everyone deserves a paycheck for doing things well. <3
That said there’s one point I noticed that’s making me feel very icky.
Wow. You’re saying this as if level designers haven’t started their careers by making custom levels for Doom, literally one of the earlier indie games by creator id. Hell, you’re giving the discontinued popularity gate called greenlight more credit than it deserves. The truth is Valve wouldn’t be here today without the Quake engine that id themselves made - they’ve driven more innovation than valve’s regression and capitalism sold as innovation. Yes, indie games existed before Valve has, shocker I know.
And as for Linux, once again, *wine. Even then, I switched to Linux and stayed because the basic experience has been elevated, and all of that without using any Valve software. If the experience isn’t better than it was before, I’d just go back to Windows. Besides, what is the point of Linux if I end up changing my unaccountable corporate master for another unaccountable corporate master, Valve?
I know all of this will fly over your head. This is for everyone else in the room who thinks a little bit of “good things” absolve one of responsibility. I can totally say Microsoft Windows was a positive influence because it made computing easy to access and develop for, but understandably nobody’s going to forgive them for the billion bad things they’ve done in turn.
How do my words deny the provided statement in any way? How your words disprove the cited statement?
And Quake engine wouldn’t exist without C++, C++ wouldn’t exist without C, C wouldn’t exist without assembler, and so on and so forth. That’s how progress works. Inventing a wheel from scratch every time is hella stupid, and so is your take, captain obvious. Like everyone who licenced the ID Tech engine at the time, Valve built a huge amount of technology on top of it.
Come on, you’re no longer even trying.
regression in what, dare i ask?
cool, but that’s your personal experience, which is far from being universal.
define “unaccountable corporate master”, and explain to me how did you manage to put a game publisher under a term like this.
You could… In an alternate reality where Windows is the only OS ever existed.
So now you’re just babbling for the sake of babbling, coming up with the most braindead takes possible, while ignoring practically everything i say because i don’t fall under the criteria of your tribe, thus inherently being a corpo billionaire shill. With this behaviour you’re only proving my words about your inability to see nuance. I hope you’re a kid, because that would at least mean some potential for intellectual development in the future.
Let’s stop before you embarrass yourself further.
Cool story bro. btw, buy a mirror instead of using me as yours. I hope Gabe gives you a dollar to buy that mirror.
What a stupid question. See everything I have literally said directly to you. Read my replies and find out the answer. As someone once said, let’s stop before you embarrass yourself further.
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