Jordan Lund is NOT a good human being.
Right, the Gaza Genocide isn’t US Politics… Those aren’t US made bombs being dropped with US politicians cheering them on and US diplomatic support and denial allowing the Genocide to continue. Nothing could be more salient to US politics than the ways in which the Palestinian Genocide drove us to war.
What a joke.
I feel that this situation unfortunately requires escalation and I will be directly contacting Lemmy World mods, I will update with their response.
For the record the first article about corporate complicity in the Palestinian Genocide includes references to many major US corporations, thus making it drirectly relevant to US politics at an immediate level.
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42581206
The second article about US media’s complicity in coverage over the Palestinian Genocide… do I need to actually explain how that is related to US politics? Of course it is?
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42579919
The third article is relevant because the US and Israel have been intimately interwoven in their escalation of Genocide and breaking of international norms, if a Genocide begins in Lebanon it will be a DIRECT continuation of US politics applied first in Israel and next in Lebanon. I mean what the hell we are fighting a war RIGHT NOW and this is the biggest escalation possible IN THAT WAR. How is that NOT related to US politics???
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42579757
https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon
The fourth article about there being no ceasefire in Gaza, I don’t even know how to go about this one, om, it is politics involving primarily the US here? The US is the single most relevant political actor capable of changing this situation? How is this not US politics? Where can you cleanly draw a line here?
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42630002
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/there-no-ceasefire-gaza
The US is directly and intimately complicit in the Palestinian Genocide, you cannot in good conscience nor with logical consistency separate US politics cleanly from this issue, if you wanted that to be possible you should have spoken up louder against the Genocide before, now it is too late to fumble with broken stilted arguments like this. The Palestinian Genocide is US Politics, period, end of story.
Can we finally stop pretending that what we have been witnessing in Gaza over the past 22 months is a “war,” a “conflict,” or even a “humanitarian crisis”? Many of the world’s leading human rights and humanitarian groups – including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Doctors Without Borders – agreed months ago that what is being livestreamed to our phones on a daily basis is indeed a genocide.
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Trump’s Republican allies in the House and Senate are even more gung-ho. Forget complicity; Congress is filled with GOP cheerleaders for genocide, from Senators Tom “bounce the rubble in Gaza” Cotton to Lindsey “level the place” Graham. The newest member of the House, Randy Fine, a Republican representative of Florida, has called for the nuking of Gaza and said just days ago that Palestinians in Gaza should “starve away” until the Israeli hostages are all released. (A reminder that incitement to genocide is also a crime under Article III of the Genocide convention.)
But we cannot let Democrats off the hook either. The first 16 months of this mass slaughter unfolded on a Democratic president’s watch. From the get-go, Joe Biden gave Netanyahu and his cabinet of génocidaires everything they needed – 2,000-lb bombs to drop on refugee camps filled with Palestinian children? Check. UN security council vetoes to prevent the passage of resolutions calling for a permanent ceasefire? Check. The burial of internal US government reports warning of war crimes and famine in Gaza? Check.
It wasn’t just Biden. The vast majority of Democrats in Congress spent much of 2024 casting vote after vote to keep arming, funding and whitewashing the mass killing of Palestinian civilians. Even now, in the summer of 2025, seven high-profile Democratic senators were happy to take a smiling photo with Netanyahu, including the Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer, who claims talk of genocide is antisemitic and says his job “is to keep the left pro-Israel”.
- Mehdi Hasan
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/02/the-us-complicit-genocide-israel-gaza
But support of it and Israel is us policy. So yes it should be allowed
Supporting Israel is not the same thing as supporting genocide.
At this point it is. And you know it. And you support it because it’s genocide.
Nope, you can state a country has a right to exist while at the same time accuse it of war crimes.
Russia has a right to exist despite repeatedly meeting the genocide definition in Ukraine.
China has a right to exist despite the genocide in Xinjiang.
Being willing to prosecute their crimes doesn’t mean you also invalidate their existence.
It is, though.
It is when you work to prevent any consequences to county commitng the genocide.
When the US policy is support of Israel no matter what they do then it’s supporting a genocide when Israel is committing one
It is not though. Nobody in the US (well, Trump excepted, but he’s a special kind of… special) is arguing to kill as many people as possible.
When you look at the actual policy, over and over, it’s “Israel has a right to exist” and “Israel has a right to defend itself.”
As a sovereign nation, both of those statements are true. The radical element on Lemmy believes neither to be true, which is why they will never get beyond the level of screaming teenagers. “It’s not RIIIIIIGHT!” You are correct, it’s not right. Stomp your feet more.
Nope, they just support policies that kill as many people as possible. You’re enforcing belief in polite lies about genocide because you support genocide and nothing else in this world.
There are no US policies that state kill as many people as possible. If you have them, cite them.
Selling weapons to a country that is committing genocide is that policy.
he’s the chief diplomat, and the commander in chief. the genocide is part of the us political position.
Not when it comes to the actual policy makers. Trumps tweets aren’t policy.
graham platners interviews aren’t policy either.
We provide Israel weapons and assistance that they commit war crimes with. That’s illegal under the Laehy Law. Is that not US politics?
If an article discusses it in terms of the Laehy law, yes, that would be US Politics.
Articles talking about Israel doing bad things in Gaza, Lebanon, Golan or elsewhere without that context are absolutely not.
Again, this is why !world@lemmy.world exists.
Again not what is happening in the area. And any country committing a genocide should lose the right to exist
What is happening is separate from the US support for it.
The US helped create Israel and as a result, no US Politician is going to walk that back.
So this is the current version of I was just carrying out orders, I had no idea what that caused!
Nope, because nobody is ordering the US to do anything. Support for Israel is more of a knee-jerk reaction.
Or better… the old apes, stairs, banana, firehose parable…
https://whatsthepont.blog/2021/02/02/because-thats-the-way-weve-always-done-things-around-here/
You’ve got 5 Apes in a cage,
You’ve got a banana hanging by a string in the middle of the cage,
You’ve got some stairs going to the banana.
Now, pretty soon one of those Apes is going to go for the banana.
As soon as he hits the stairs,
You take a hose and spray all 5 Apes with freezing cold water for 5 minutes.
Now, some time passes.
And pretty soon another one of the Apes is going to make the same attempt (to get the banana) with the same result; all 5 Apes get sprayed with cold water.
Now, you turn off the cold water, you never use it again.
Time passes, and one of the Apes goes for the banana,
As he hits the stairs, the other 4 Apes pounce on him and beat the crap out of him.
OK, understandable.
Now, you replace one of those original Apes with a new Ape.
After a while that new Ape, well , he’s going to spy that banana.
And, when he goes for the stairs, the other 4 Apes are going to jump on him and beat the crap out of him.
Time passes and you replace another one of the original Apes with a new Ape, who is going to go for the banana.
The other 4 Apes beat the crap out of him, right?
Including, the first new Ape who has no idea why he is enthusiastically beating the crap out of this poor new guy.
Nor, why he himself had the crap beaten out of him.
OK?
Now, you keep replacing those original Apes with new Apes until finally you’ve got a cage filled with 5 Apes,
Who have NEVER had freezing cold water sprayed on them.
And never the less…
Not one of those Apes will ever attempt to climb those stairs again.
Why not?
Because, that’s the way we’ve always done it around here…
Which is why said it was the new version of the nazi excuses. It’s much worse that the usa is fine helping and abetting.
Again your analogy doesn’t work, this time because no one is doing anything to stop them. (and really really poor choice of example doing apes in place of those in the middle east)
A huge part of the problem is that both of those statements lack any specificity - we can’t even have the conversation about whether any given state has some abstract ‘right’ to exist of defend itself if we don’t really have an agreed definition of what ‘Israel’ or a ‘state’ is, what ‘existence’ encompasses, and what limits to the definition of ‘defense’ we are operating under. Are we talking about Israel the geographic region, or the Jewish diaspora? Are we talking about a democratic state with religious and ethnic equality, or an apartheid two-class system of oppression?
And that lack of specificity is almost the entire strategy of the democratic establishment and their position on the topic, and why the DNC consultant class and (apparently) smalltime internet forum moderators would rather dismiss all attempts of having that discussion
This is true, but when the screeching opposition is nothing more than “Colonizers! They’re COLONIZERS!” that’s pretty easy to dismiss.
There needs to be a serious discussion about how to hold Israel, Netanyahu, and the other war criminals accountable, but that’s beyond the scope of Lemmy and it’s definitely NOT US Politics.
In the end though, the real problem is, there is no such thing as “International Law”. It’s mealy mouthed guideline at best.
https://thehub.ca/2026/01/09/stop-appealing-to-international-law-theres-no-such-thing/
Trump breaks international law attacking Iran.
Netanyahu breaks international law waking up in the morning.
Putin breaks international law attacking Ukraine.
Nobody is going to hold them accountable because a law with no enforcement isn’t really a law.
Especially when the only people capable of intervening are determined to do anything but mouth meaningless platitudes, such as “Israel has a right to defend itself”, and “Israel has a right to exist”
In fairness, we aren’t really intervening in Russia or China either. It’s almost like if you have nukes nobody will tell you otherwise. 🤔
We certainly are intervening, though. If we “weren’t intervening” in Gaza in the same way we “aren’t intervening” in Ukraine, this topic of conversation would be a lot less contentious.