No Western company has no blood on their hands of course, and for this reason (and so many others) they should all be relegated to the dustbin of history like our entire culture, including the company I personally work for.
Frankly, I am 1000% willing to face a revolutionary firing squad for my limited part in the Empire if that’s what justice looks like for the people victimized by our Empire. At least I would die happy knowing that justice was served and the people rose up.
But to suggest that there is no daylight between almost any other job within the Empire versus working in the military… silliness.
Yea…… I feel pity for the destitute Russia meat wave that was force conscripted, or joined to feed a starving family. It’s almost like we’ve designed our societies this way and the people are the victims??
It’s also like there’s a million non combat jobs in the us military. Some of them even deliver food to people and provide logistic support for non military entities. So much nuance to go around.
It’s like I can hate Russia and its leadership with all my heart; and still understand a boot on the ground is separate from the person ordering him around.
I can hate hamas and still feel bad for the child that was indoctrinated. It’s a crazy concept!
We’ve seen how yous frame everyone you don’t like as terrorists and all of their family, relatives, neighbors, neighborhood, city, country are fair game but sure “people outside this country don’t understand this”.
US has been shit throughout history if you ever read a history book.
Serving the military is a choice and the consequences are a part of the contract.
If given a choice between “join the military or X”, you pick X unless it’s more unethical than joining the military. Even if it was “join the military or else you literally die”, you need to pick “literally die”, and then that’s just how your story ends, tough noogies, but at least you didn’t work for the baby killing machine.
People don’t understand how the military is the best social ladder in America and how desperate people are to climb it. I worked at Walmart before the military. After the military my first job was making 6 figures. I went from just over poverty, to in something like the top ~15% of earners.
The American economy has been jury-rigged for decades to pipeline disadvantaged youth into the military, and said youth are very close to thve bottom of the list of people responsible for that dynamic.
Completely and utterly aware of that dynamic, but what parts of “no excuse” and “baby-killing machine” are so difficult for people to understand? We all know that there are some things you “just don’t do” because they are monstrous to do! Joining the military needs to be one of them!
said youth are very close to the bottom of the list of people responsible for that dynamic.
Right but that doesn’t make them not responsible at all for their individual choices, individual actions, or for their part in the baby-killing machine. Obviously the capitalists are the ones most responsible by several orders of magnitude, but that does not mean that working people or poorer people who put their bodies on the line to work for the capitalists’ baby-killing machine are completely innocent. Like you do not lose your moral agency once you fall below the poverty line.
Like I’m asking for the absolute bare minimum of resisting temptation and liberals in this thread are like “no, soldiers are like innocent little baby lambs who have been shepherded into the military and have no moral agency” and like, fuck right off to hell with that take. Troops are people with the same ability to make moral decisions as any other people, and ostensibly they’re tough people, so they should be able to process this extremely simple if distressing reality that their “”“service”“” was evil and that they have to live with the consequences of their own mistake.
I am probably not as harsh talking as you, but I find this blanket forgiveness for our boys in camo kinda worrying too. One day all Lemmy angers at ICE recruits in tacticool gear shooting and kidnapping people, the second day we clap to DEATH DEATH TO IDF, and on the third day we are supposed to mourn an american war pilot who died doing missions in a foreign country on behalf of Trump and Netanyahu.
A career soldier, not a draftee, who could have chosen not to join the military or, when faced with inevitable active participation - get (dishonorably) discharged, just went with it. Dude, there are a corpus of laws about death and funerals on your job, you thought you would sit it out, or worse, you wanted to outsource your own personal misery to the lands you can’t even point on the map? Or, say, you didn’t choose it but just went with the flow your whole life? What if your best pals could’ve invited you to Abu Ghraib - could you say no? Could you choose anything for yourself? Are you a fucking person at all?
There is a rehabilitation arc to anyone, even to the worst of the worst if they choose to quit doing bad things and/or work at undoing damage they dealt. Fate wasn’t so fair to this guy as he was caught ready to airbomb iranians, without a second chance, what a bummer. If it wasn’t for that, he could’ve got 6 figures salary and gone through this pain with a personal therapist, reflecting on what he has done and finding his peace at last. No more screaming iranians schoolgirls on fire at night, only quality sleep. Thanks to the sponsor of this podcast, MyPillow.
Nah bro, every
soldier’s death could have been easily prevented by simply not signing up to join the baby-killing machine
And what company have you signed up to work for that is so pure?
No Western company has no blood on their hands of course, and for this reason (and so many others) they should all be relegated to the dustbin of history like our entire culture, including the company I personally work for.
Frankly, I am 1000% willing to face a revolutionary firing squad for my limited part in the
Empire if that’s what justice looks like for the people victimized by our Empire. At least I would die happy knowing that justice was served and the people rose up.
But to suggest that there is no daylight between almost any other job within the Empire versus working in the military… silliness.
I know a lot of people who have served here. They didn’t believe that they had many other options.
Things are bad in America, and they have been for most of the 2000’s. People outside the country don’t understand this fully sometimes.
“Things are bad in Russia, and they have been for most of the 2000’s. People outside the country don’t understand this fully sometimes.”
Yea…… I feel pity for the destitute Russia meat wave that was force conscripted, or joined to feed a starving family. It’s almost like we’ve designed our societies this way and the people are the victims??
It’s almost like people can be both victims and victimizers 🤪
It’s also like there’s a million non combat jobs in the us military. Some of them even deliver food to people and provide logistic support for non military entities. So much nuance to go around.
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It’s like I can hate Russia and its leadership with all my heart; and still understand a boot on the ground is separate from the person ordering him around.
I can hate hamas and still feel bad for the child that was indoctrinated. It’s a crazy concept!
We’ve seen how yous frame everyone you don’t like as terrorists and all of their family, relatives, neighbors, neighborhood, city, country are fair game but sure “people outside this country don’t understand this”.
US has been shit throughout history if you ever read a history book.
Serving the military is a choice and the consequences are a part of the contract.
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I’m
. I understand completely how bad it is here.
Not an excuse.
If given a choice between “join the military or X”, you pick X unless it’s more unethical than joining the military. Even if it was “join the military or else you literally die”, you need to pick “literally die”, and then that’s just how your story ends, tough noogies, but at least you didn’t work for the baby killing machine.
Bruh it must be nice having the worldview of a 13 year old.
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Damn I showed up to late for all the unhinged comments
People don’t understand how the military is the best social ladder in America and how desperate people are to climb it. I worked at Walmart before the military. After the military my first job was making 6 figures. I went from just over poverty, to in something like the top ~15% of earners.
Joining ICE, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Boot
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Completely and utterly aware of that dynamic, but what parts of “no excuse” and “baby-killing machine” are so difficult for
people to understand? We all know that there are some things you “just don’t do” because they are monstrous to do! Joining the 
military needs to be one of them!
Right but that doesn’t make them not responsible at all for their individual choices, individual actions, or for their part in the baby-killing machine. Obviously the capitalists are the ones most responsible by several orders of magnitude, but that does not mean that working people or poorer people who put their bodies on the line to work for the capitalists’ baby-killing machine are completely innocent. Like you do not lose your moral agency once you fall below the poverty line.
Like I’m asking for the absolute bare minimum of resisting temptation and liberals in this thread are like “no, soldiers are like innocent little baby lambs who have been shepherded into the military and have no moral agency” and like, fuck right off to hell with that take. Troops are people with the same ability to make moral decisions as any other people, and ostensibly they’re tough people, so they should be able to process this extremely simple if distressing reality that their “”“service”“” was evil and that they have to live with the consequences of their own mistake.
I am probably not as harsh talking as you, but I find this blanket forgiveness for our boys in camo kinda worrying too. One day all Lemmy angers at ICE recruits in tacticool gear shooting and kidnapping people, the second day we clap to DEATH DEATH TO IDF, and on the third day we are supposed to mourn an american war pilot who died doing missions in a foreign country on behalf of Trump and Netanyahu.
A career soldier, not a draftee, who could have chosen not to join the military or, when faced with inevitable active participation - get (dishonorably) discharged, just went with it. Dude, there are a corpus of laws about death and funerals on your job, you thought you would sit it out, or worse, you wanted to outsource your own personal misery to the lands you can’t even point on the map? Or, say, you didn’t choose it but just went with the flow your whole life? What if your best pals could’ve invited you to Abu Ghraib - could you say no? Could you choose anything for yourself? Are you a fucking person at all?
There is a rehabilitation arc to anyone, even to the worst of the worst if they choose to quit doing bad things and/or work at undoing damage they dealt. Fate wasn’t so fair to this guy as he was caught ready to airbomb iranians, without a second chance, what a bummer. If it wasn’t for that, he could’ve got 6 figures salary and gone through this pain with a personal therapist, reflecting on what he has done and finding his peace at last. No more screaming iranians schoolgirls on fire at night, only quality sleep. Thanks to the sponsor of this podcast, MyPillow.
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Oof, too based for .world I see 😆
It’s why I left that [censored by .world] instance and the [censored by .world] mods.
Also “We believe this could have been prevented. It’s a sad day” is pretty weak “raging”. This still sounds sycophantic
It’s a news article so that’s to be expected.