• @JusticeForPorygon
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    Okay but like what happens in Beijing when you say you’re not satisfied? Also, weren’t there large scale protests there not to long back?

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        Careful where you say that, you’ll be sent one for four articles saying it didn’t happen

    • Cyber GhostOP
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      1. Nothing

      2. USA propaganda

      3. USA conditions are so shitty for black people and other minorities that cities were being burned

      4. French conditions for minorities are so shitty that there are protests there every day and many cities are on fire

      Conclusion: Socialism >>>> (Capitalism = shit)

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        Hahahahahaha

        Oh wait, you’re serious? Let me laugh even harder.

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      • @ALavaPulsar@lemmy.world
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        Are we still pretending that China is a socialist country? Their social safety net is much worse than the US, which is regarding among the worst of OECD countries. I guess they still have a red and yellow flag so must be socialist utopia right?

        • Cyber GhostOP
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          China’s retirement age is 60 and it is governed by a proletariat party.

          • Arcturus
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            China’s President sent his own daughter to Harvard and China has wide income inequality, as well as the greatest proportion of millionaires and billionaires in the world. The wealthy in China go on day trips to Paris to literally eat cake.

            • @JusticeForPorygon
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              Fuckin tankies man, hurts my brain.

              Living in the US sucks

              Living in China sucks (unless you’re on their soil, then it’s great!(please don’t take my organs))

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                Well, it may come as a shock to them, but having wealth in China improves your life considerably more than in the US. Unless of course, you challenge the Chairman.

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                  Response to both 1 and 2:

                  because socialism isn’t defined by how many people in a country have a certain level of wealth. socialism is the transitional period between capitalism and communism, where the proletariat hold state power and build the conditions necessary for communism. before you can have communism you need to have the productive forces in place to make that economically possible. China chose the route of allowing capitalist investment to help develop its productive forces, while maintaining state power and overall control of the economy in the hands of the Communist Party. they decided that it was better for the country to become wealthy unevenly at first, rather than to keep socialising poverty

                  https://dengxiaopingworks.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/building-a-socialism-with-a-specifically-chinese-character/

                  What is socialism and what is Marxism? We were not quite clear about this in the past. Marxism attaches utmost importance to developing the productive forces. We have said that socialism is the primary stage of communism and that at the advanced stage the principle of from each according to his ability and to each according to his needs will be applied. This calls for highly developed productive forces and an overwhelming abundance of material wealth. Therefore, the fundamental task for the socialist stage is to develop the productive forces. The superiority of the socialist system is demonstrated, in the final analysis, by faster and greater development of those forces than under the capitalist system. As they develop, the people’s material and cultural life will constantly improve. One of our shortcomings after the founding of the People’s Republic was that we didn’t pay enough attention to developing the productive forces. Socialism means eliminating poverty. Pauperism is not socialism, still less communism

                  as it happens there did arise a great degree of wealth disparity, which the state has begun to tackle since Xi’s leadership took over

                  and that’s something they’ll need to iron out over time

                  but the existence of billionaires isn’t a reflection of the class character of the state

                  you might find this article a worthwhile read https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/

                  • Arcturus
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                    The Chinese state is cracking down on billionaires and the wealthy, to some extent, mainly as they are a challenge to the states own power. Not as a result of much else. Loyal ones, particularly close to Xi, are left alone.

                    China continues to be highly neoliberal in business practice, supported and subsidised by the state, if you’re in a key industry, particularly as China faces economic downturn. Chinese workers are pliant, and educated. Which is why Elon Musk is there.

                    The proletariat do not hold the power in China, they are seen as a threat by the Chinese elite. Hence a heavy surveillance state, and large propaganda arm.

                    The transition from socialism to capitalism, in theory, does not include a devolution back to capitalism lol. Xi Jinping has created more wealth for the Chinese elite than any other previous Chinese President. Unless you think the Germans were also socialist during the 30’s and 40’s.

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        Dude they’re fucking state capitalists, not socialists. Also, cities were not being burned but way to parrot right wing talking points. In fact you could easily be a right winger hoping to drum up support. Hell, if you support China you already support anti-lgbt legislation so you probably are just some dumb fuck who thought he knew anything about the left.

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        So what did all those Uighurs do then?

        Edit: you gonna bring up racial and ethinc issues in the US and not expect people to bring up China’s fuck ups?

          • @HikingVet
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            Oh sure, your propaganda is true.

            Suck a dick tankie.

              • @HikingVet
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                Oh, see I’m asexual and don’t care what your orientation or gender is. It’s a known way to upset people. You’ll also notice that the only slur was tankie. So, suck a dick tankie.

                  • @HikingVet
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                    Or, you’re a full of shit tankie who is carrying a murderous regimes water like a good stooge.

      • Alto
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        Tankies don’t do everything they can to discredit the left challenge