No it’s saying do this or else. There are many better ways to detect trolls then this, it’s just a flawed way to try an encourage specific behavior.
There are mods and comms designed to do it with admins doing nothing as it targets those they don’t care about about. (ie it’s okay because it just targets the evil users of ml like cowbee)
Lemmy world admins and mods have done it for users they called trolls who were just posting news they didn’t want to see. Hell they specifically worked out a way to avoid taking action on the mod that was doing stuff like that because the mod was willing to do it
Goat is one user. For comparison, do you have an example of someone on the opposite side, or downvoting en masse or drama-baiting for different causes?
Moreover, I would submit that a user downvoting a lot and getting repeatedly banned from other communities and instances for it is quite different to an instance specifically organising downvote raids comprised of multiple users and alt accounts. Does Goat load up alt accounts to downvote?
Where did I say he was, it was an example of admins being okay with terrible behavior because they do it for them.
For comparison, do you have an example of someone on the opposite side, or downvoting en masse or drama-baiting for different causes?
Goat is multiple accounts and runs comms specifically to do exactly that. See meanwhile on grad on shit just works.
Moreover, I would submit that a user downvoting a lot and getting repeatedly banned from other communities and instances for it is quite different to an instance specifically organising downvote raids comprised of multiple users and alt accounts.
But piefed world help them do that. And as long as they upvote equally or more than they downvote would be considered better than those downvoting or that have content being downvoted.
The point is piefed is built in a way that is easy to game just like reddit.
Honestly at this point I don’t know if explaining poorly or the point is intentionally being missed due to your relationship with the piefed creators
Where did I say he was, it was an example of admins being okay with terrible behavior because they do it for them.
Jordan Lund just runs some local lemmy.world communities. Big communities, and maybe he runs them badly - and lemmy.world absolutely took reputational hits for it.
Goat is multiple accounts and runs comms specifically to do exactly that. See meanwhile on grad on shit just works.
Right, but is he a part of the sh.itjust.works administration? Does he use those accounts to double-vote negatively against users he doesn’t like across the fediverse?
But piefed world help them do that. And as long as they upvote equally or more than they downvote would be considered better than those downvoting or that have content being downvoted.
I can assure you that if an instance opened up on piefed that was being used by the administrators of that instance to target a particular user or users with repeated downvotes or instance via multi-accounting or just general bloc downvoting via multiple people that I could call for its defederation.
I can assure you that if an instance opened up on piefed that was being used by the administrators of that instance to target a particular user or users with repeated downvotes or instance via multi-accounting or just general bloc downvoting via multiple people that I could call for its defederation.
Cool, again not the point when it’s instance admins who are okay with the behavior. Especially if it helps get them traffic and users.
Right, but is he a part of the sh.itjust.works administration? Does he use those accounts to double-vote negatively against users he doesn’t like across the fediverse?
How is this relevant to him running the comm specifically designed to drive people to attack others. Even in this thread one user, who doesn’t seem to care about the Jordan Lund shit show, even uses the comm to distract from how world handled the situation that most already forgot or didn’t care about. Rimu himself frequenting the same comm and doing exactly the same attacks to others and other instances is why people have so many concerns about piefed. Other instance admins are doing the same
Cool, again not the point when it’s instance admins who are okay with the behavior. Especially if it helps get them traffic and users.
Right, and in this context that would become a defederated instance if they were found as admins to be specifically engaging in that behaviour themselves. If it’s just individuals on the instance acting on their own volition (and I have asked you if goat specifically uses alts to mass-downvote people multiple times across the fediverse - and you haven’t confirmed if he does that).
How is this relevant to him running the comm specifically designed to drive people to attack others. Even in this thread one user, who doesn’t seem to care about the Jordan Lund shit show, even uses the comm to distract from how world handled the situation that most already forgot or didn’t care about. Rimu himself frequenting the same comm and doing exactly the same attacks to others and other instances is why people have so many concerns about piefed. Other instance admins are doing the same
Frequenting what comm? Are you talking about Tankiejerk or MeanwhileInGrad? I’ve never seen Rimu comment there ever.
Right, and in this context that would become a defederated instance if they were found as admins to be specifically engaging in that behaviour themselves. If it’s just individuals on the instance acting on their own volition (and I have asked you if goat specifically uses alts to mass-downvote people multiple times across the fediverse - and you haven’t confirmed if he does that).
Because it’s irrelevant to the point if they are downvoting with multiple accounts when using comms to drive users to do it for them. You’re also ignoring the admins of the instance not doing anything for comms doing that exact behavior.
Meanwhileongrad, but at this point both are doing it.
Because it’s irrelevant to the point if they are downvoting with multiple accounts when using comms to drive users to do it for them. You’re also ignoring the admins of the instance not doing anything for comms doing that exact behavior.
Again, you would have to show some evidence that the actual instance owners are doing this or actively involved. Can I see a post that has been repeatedly hit by downvotes from goat alts, by the way?
And yes rimu frequents Meanwhileongrad
I’ve just tracked back through 2 months of rimus comments and not found a single comment from him on Meanwhileongrad.
No it’s saying do this or else. There are many better ways to detect trolls then this, it’s just a flawed way to try an encourage specific behavior.
There are mods and comms designed to do it with admins doing nothing as it targets those they don’t care about about. (ie it’s okay because it just targets the evil users of ml like cowbee)
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=86080
Lemmy world admins and mods have done it for users they called trolls who were just posting news they didn’t want to see. Hell they specifically worked out a way to avoid taking action on the mod that was doing stuff like that because the mod was willing to do it
https://lemmy.world/post/36621226
What ways would you suggest to isolate trolls?
Jordan Lund wasn’t downvote trolling.
Goat is one user. For comparison, do you have an example of someone on the opposite side, or downvoting en masse or drama-baiting for different causes?
Moreover, I would submit that a user downvoting a lot and getting repeatedly banned from other communities and instances for it is quite different to an instance specifically organising downvote raids comprised of multiple users and alt accounts. Does Goat load up alt accounts to downvote?
Simply looking at frequency and speed.
Where did I say he was, it was an example of admins being okay with terrible behavior because they do it for them.
Goat is multiple accounts and runs comms specifically to do exactly that. See meanwhile on grad on shit just works.
But piefed world help them do that. And as long as they upvote equally or more than they downvote would be considered better than those downvoting or that have content being downvoted.
The point is piefed is built in a way that is easy to game just like reddit.
Honestly at this point I don’t know if explaining poorly or the point is intentionally being missed due to your relationship with the piefed creators
Trolls are not always frequent at all.
Jordan Lund just runs some local lemmy.world communities. Big communities, and maybe he runs them badly - and lemmy.world absolutely took reputational hits for it.
Right, but is he a part of the sh.itjust.works administration? Does he use those accounts to double-vote negatively against users he doesn’t like across the fediverse?
I can assure you that if an instance opened up on piefed that was being used by the administrators of that instance to target a particular user or users with repeated downvotes or instance via multi-accounting or just general bloc downvoting via multiple people that I could call for its defederation.
Cool, again not the point when it’s instance admins who are okay with the behavior. Especially if it helps get them traffic and users.
How is this relevant to him running the comm specifically designed to drive people to attack others. Even in this thread one user, who doesn’t seem to care about the Jordan Lund shit show, even uses the comm to distract from how world handled the situation that most already forgot or didn’t care about. Rimu himself frequenting the same comm and doing exactly the same attacks to others and other instances is why people have so many concerns about piefed. Other instance admins are doing the same
Right, and in this context that would become a defederated instance if they were found as admins to be specifically engaging in that behaviour themselves. If it’s just individuals on the instance acting on their own volition (and I have asked you if goat specifically uses alts to mass-downvote people multiple times across the fediverse - and you haven’t confirmed if he does that).
Frequenting what comm? Are you talking about Tankiejerk or MeanwhileInGrad? I’ve never seen Rimu comment there ever.
Because it’s irrelevant to the point if they are downvoting with multiple accounts when using comms to drive users to do it for them. You’re also ignoring the admins of the instance not doing anything for comms doing that exact behavior.
Meanwhileongrad, but at this point both are doing it.
And yes rimu frequents Meanwhileongrad
Again, you would have to show some evidence that the actual instance owners are doing this or actively involved. Can I see a post that has been repeatedly hit by downvotes from goat alts, by the way?
I’ve just tracked back through 2 months of rimus comments and not found a single comment from him on Meanwhileongrad.
Got it, only counts if admins actively encouraging and instead of not doing anything about the comm
https://lemmy.world/post/35086986/19071974
Or that doesn’t count because not within 2 months?