• Nemo's public admirer
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    13 hours ago

    But won’t you be forced to it too?

    (Assuming you are an USAmerican in this context)
    Like, imagine if you want to fight against the I-C-E or groups who want to ban abortion etc, and you use only peaceful means, while they do not care.
    You’ll have to fight, right?
    And if you win, wouldn’t you have to keep the mercenaries under custody or watchlists to keep them from reforming? And also actively repress their ideology using the state machinery?

    If you don’t wouldn’t they overthrow you soon?

    I think that is how it’d go.
    But yes, excesses should be avoided and tech development should be focused on, to show even the opponents that things are better with socialism.

    Even then, you’d have a minority who’d you need to be wary of.
    Tho, if you are doing this in USAmerica, you have one less worry, of the USAmerica couping you.

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      8 hours ago

      Well first of all, you dont need a Powerful state to have a prison. But you also dont need to use prisons, you can go for more of a rehabilitation center, I mean, most people need only a 2-6 week detox from hateful rhetoric to calm down a bit.

      And the number 1 reason people turn to regressive talking points is because life is hard under capitalism. If you just make a loving social safety net built on compassion and human dignity, everyone lifted up will further calm down.

      Im not saying we wont need to crack a few eggs to make the omelet, but I am saying that we should use as few as we can. And more importantly, needing to do so today doesnt mean we will need to continuously do so tomorrow and the next day.

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        5 hours ago

        Thank you

        Well first of all, you dont need a Powerful state to have a prison. But you also dont need to use prisons, you can go for more of a rehabilitation center, I mean, most people need only a 2-6 week detox from hateful rhetoric to calm down a bit.

        Well, if you’re not allowing them leave until they are rehabilitated and they don’t volunteer to be rehabilitated, it is very similar, right?

        Also, without a decently powerful state, how would find he resources and organise the tasks during the transition?

        Like, it’s not like your enemies would be ok with it? What if they sabotage and attack. Especially if they have external allies to destabilise your movement?

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          4 hours ago

          You know that there are more than 5 ideologies right? You dont have to be straight to the corners of the compass or the very middle of enlightened centricism? I can hold a fairly anarchist position without leaving my ideal governance without power?

          Taking up the existing state power in the course of the transition might be necessary, but it can still be done with far more human dignity than anyone is used to. Dismantling an armed force the size of the US military cant be done in a night anyway. Idk man. All the circumstances that go into answering this question mean that answering it today is impossible. I just think political leaders should care about people. Thats who ill put my support behind