I mean, the actual historical definition of socialism is “collective ownership of the means of production”, and the actual historical definition of communism is “a classless, stateless society that will inevitably follow capitalism, according to Marx”. The USSR only ever claimed to be working towards communism, and referred to themselves as “socialist”.
Nowadays the words can mean something different, depending on who uses them.
If you mean you were using the historical definitions, a social safety net is not a means of production. Government-run factories or mines would be socialist, although some purists insist that it’s not socialist until there’s no private ownership left at all.
If you mean you were using the popular definitions, sure, people like government services. Volt also likes government services.
I mean, most people aren’t socialists. In Europe there’s usually a hard left option already, and it gets fairly few votes.
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Should I pick a European hard-left party and post it’s actual seat count, or is that irrelevant to the point you’re trying to make?
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Ah, by “socialism” you mean, like, Norway. On Lemmy people usually mean the USSR when they say that. I think OP meant socialist like the USSR.
Most of the Volt platforms I’ve looked at are pretty pro-welfare.
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I mean, the actual historical definition of socialism is “collective ownership of the means of production”, and the actual historical definition of communism is “a classless, stateless society that will inevitably follow capitalism, according to Marx”. The USSR only ever claimed to be working towards communism, and referred to themselves as “socialist”.
Nowadays the words can mean something different, depending on who uses them.
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If you mean you were using the historical definitions, a social safety net is not a means of production. Government-run factories or mines would be socialist, although some purists insist that it’s not socialist until there’s no private ownership left at all.
If you mean you were using the popular definitions, sure, people like government services. Volt also likes government services.
USSR wasn’t socialist in any way, are you here just to troll?
How have you been on Lemmy for over a year, and still not run into people who think it was?
(For my part, I think words have the definition we give them)
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The first person?
In history?
Or do you mean the thing about words?