I am low on money these days and my life is hell for it. I have to do with substandard everything in my life I recently had an incident where an elderly woman asked me for money while roaming the street with her family begging for money. I had no money to spare, but had I had any, I wouldn’t have given a penny to her (Life is tough, I can’t give away money I didn’t earn)
But, she later said something which melted my heart, “Majboori hai beta!” (Hindi) “We don’t want to do this, but we have to do it son” (now add some emotional value to it), I didn’t know what to do, I was on my cycle and I could feel their eyes on me as I passed them and I just peddled faster with teary eyes.
I didn’t know how to deal with that. i.e., I don’t have enough money for medical necessities or to improve the standard of living of my own life, but I was being asked to spare change by a poor family that was demonstrably in a worse spot than me.
I was always taught that if you give beggars money, they will spend it all on alcohol (not blaming them), and given the number of beggars who have come to be smelling like alcohol and death with wobbly balance, it has been a rule not to provide them with money. Also, let’s not forget, if you’re really poor (homeless and have nothing to lose) and you are really desperate, you are often dangerous i.e., not someone around whom your kids can roam, again, not blaming them. But… I don’t know what is right or wrong in this situation!
How do you deal with external problems you can’t solve around you? What is the moral thing to do here?
edit: This kinda reminds of a story about Jesus where a prince once came to him and told him that he isn’t at peace with himself no matter what he does, and Jesus told him that to get peace he must give away everything to the poor and follow Jesus around and the prince refused (something along those lines).
I know what the most moral thing might be in this case, but even if you tell me that I should give money to those who live in abject poverty, I probably won’t do it as often as I should.
I mean, it sounds nice on paper, but at least in the West a non-trivial percentage are so mentally ill average Joe can’t really be their friend effectively. Using judgement is recommended.
How many homeless people have you spoken to? Of course everybody is different so treating someone like a person may look different depending on their circumstances, but the principle still applies, including towards homeless people with severe mental illnesses.
And also that’s just not my experience tbh. Both from speaking to homeless people on the streets, and also when I was in prison I met a lot of the typical types of people who would end up street homeless, including people who were street homeless prior to being incarcerated and people who were street homeless and mentally ill, and they’re still people. I managed to form good friendships with a lot of them. I don’t know, possibly you have genuinely tried to interact with homeless people and you’ve hit a brick wall, but in my own experience that’s just an assumption or first impression people have and not the reality if you just try talking to them for a few mins.
Hmm, where I live it’s more frequently people living in decrepit buildings than properly homeless. The one guy that actually wanders around just doesn’t talk. I heard him say “yup” once, in a situation where he was pretty much forced to. I’ve had less than positive experiences with rough-looking people. Other times it’s been fine.
This is me regurgitating what I’ve heard from actual professionals.
Care to explain what you mean by “actual professionals”?
People like you, shrinks. Do you disagree?
I’m not a shrink lol I’m a case manager.
I disagree with the idea that so many homeless are so mentally ill that conversing with them isn’t worth it. It should take the most minimal ability to read human behavior to see when someone is having a hard time and you shouldn’t engage but there are many who don’t experience persistent psychosis who you can talk to, or at least give a nod and hello.
Yes, to be clear that was a list. I’ve heard both chime in, online at least. In real life I think the only relevant conversation was about what a therapy session looks like when your client is homeless.
I didn’t mean ignore them - they’re still humans, OP is right about that. I said use judgement. I can totally see a younger version of myself Kool-Aid man-ing into a random homeless person’s life and expecting I can be their best buddy.
When I encounter them now, I treat them like every other stranger. I think I’m doing the right thing.
Lolllll Kool-Aid man! That’s fair, I’m so used to people automatically dehumanizing homeless people (thanks reddit) that I’m ready to throw hands when the conversation comes up lol. I appreciate you being rational