• @return2ozma@lemmy.worldOP
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      Bill Clinton encouraged Donald Trump to run for President during a phone call before he decided to run for president

      https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/clinton-encouraged-trump-to-run-for-president_washington-dc/100233/

      How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately “elevated” Donald Trump with its “pied piper” strategy

      https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

      They Always Wanted Trump. Inside Team Clinton’s year-long struggle to find a strategy against the opponent they were most eager to face.

      https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/

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        Edit: Due to the vague implications of the above comments, I was under the impression that the claim was Clintons’ intention to get Trump elected. Many, many comments later, it was explained that the more rational claim of encouraging Trump to run was because they thought he’d be an easy opponent to beat. Maybe people should say what they mean, rather leaving vague, incomplete, bait comments for others to determine their own interpretations of insinuation.

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            I’m aware they were friends. Bill and Trump hung out in the same circles, including Epstein’s island. I still don’t believe your conspiracy theory.

            The Clintons are capitalist conservatives posing as Democrats.

            Trump is an authoritarian dictator Russian puppet.

            They want to fuck this nation in entirely different positions.

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                Yes. It’s well known that Hillary worked with Debbie Wasserman Schultz to keep Bernie out of the spotlight. Her goal was to force a win of the primary, not give the election to Trump.

                It’s the ethical responsibility of the convention, not the candidate, to ensure an impartial primary. It’s a candidate’s job to self-advocate. It’s the convention’s job to keep it fair and balanced.

                Hillary was a disappointment. Debbie was a failure.

                • @Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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                  It was the Hillary campaign’s decision to help elevate Trump to the nomination and give him as much media exposure as possible, thinking that it would make it easy for her to win.

                  It was also them that ran one of the worst presidential campaigns in history, including telling people not to vote for her and neglecting to campaign in key swing states out of pure arrogant hubris.

                  Inescapable conclusion to anyone who isn’t a Hillary stan or otherwise a blind Dem party loyalist:

                  Hillary and her campaign are more culpable for Trump infesting the white house than anyone else outside of the far right echo chamber and foreign agents.

                  • @disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
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                    So you reject the verified conspiracy of Debbie Wasserman Schultz intentionally shielding Bernie from the media prior to the primary, as well as the proof of exceptionally low Democratic voter turnout, in favor of a theory that claims the Clintons wanted a Russian conspiring real estate fraud to be President over Hillary.

                    Do you get enough sun in your rabbit hole?

            • @Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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              Return2ozma: provides tons of mainstream sources demonstrating actual things that objectively happened according to people who have no reason to make it up

              This guy over here: “I still don’t believe your conspiracy theory” 🤦

              • @disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
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                None of those sources substantiate why they would want him to win. I completely agree that Hillary leveraged Debbie to keep Bernie out of the spotlight to force a win of the primary. I’d also believe it’s possible that Bill tried to convince Trump to run in order to ease Hillary’s win in the Presidential election.

                Claiming that their goal was getting Trump elected is off the reservation cuckoobananas.

                • @Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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                  None of those sources substantiate why they would want him to win.

                  Nobody’s saying that the Hillary campaign wanted Trump to be president. As for why they wanted him to be the nominee, there’s no way that none of the sources say why.

                  Especially since the Dem party leadership apparently learned nothing and are still using the same pied piper strategy to support far right candidates in Republican primaries for the exact same reason.

                  • @disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
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                    Excellent. That’s honestly how all of the implications read in Ozma’s, Anticolonialist’s, and your comments. Not a single one of you completed your thoughts, leaving open inference that I perceived as motive to get Trump elected. I’m glad you hear that’s not your claim.

                    I can see how they’d ply Trump to run, and perceive him as an easy target in the election.

                    That doesn’t change the source of the failure. No matter how much pressure Hillary put on Debbie, it was Debbie’s job to remain impartial. It’s a candidate’s job to try to gain favor from the convention, just as it’s the convention’s job to remain impartial.

                    The blame for Trump’s presidency still falls on the shoulders of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the abstaining voters.

            • @FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
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              There is evidence that Trump has been to the island on multiple occasions via testimony by Epstein’s brother.

              There is evidence that Clinton rode on Epstein’s Plane to various AIDs relief sites in Africa.

              There is NO evidence that Clinton has ever been to the island.

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        It’s easier to point fingers at her, but it’s not her job to keep the primary impartial. As I said above, it’s a candidate’s job to self advocate. It’s the DNC’s job to keep the primary fair and impartial.

        Hillary was a disappointment. Debbie was a failure.

        I’m guessing you’re blaming her while having abstained from voting in 2016?

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      it would’ve been a completely alternative universe if we had Bernie from 2016 until 2024. He’s too good for rotten america

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        Again, it’s well documented that Debbie was helping Hillary. It’s not Hillary’s job to be impartial, it’s Debbie’s. There’s a reason insurance companies won’t pay the claim if you’re robbed after leaving your doors unlocked. Candidates are expected to ask for preferential treatment. It’s the convention’s job to deny it. This was Debbie’s responsibility, and she failed to execute.

        • @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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          This was Debbie’s responsibility, and she failed to execute.

          Her responsibility was to throw the primary for Clinton. She did so.