Hey people! I want to learn typst, a modern alternative to LaTeX written in Rust.

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Typst can incrementally compile the files to PDF.

Ironically, there is no incrementally refreshing PDF viewer afaik. So for direct visual output of my progress, I would like the fastest, smoothest PDF viewer.

It can be as small and minimal for that task as possible.

Priorities:

  1. No flicker (no text re-alignment, no disappearing scroll bars, no changing UI)
  2. Fast refresh
  3. Smooth text refresh (maybe with a fade in)
  4. Generally solid

To test:

  • evince / GNOME Document viewer
  • atril
  • mupdf
  • zathura
  • gv

Barebones:

Somehow monitor for changes

  • pipdf (GTK4, but unmaintained)
  • pdf_render (very minimal, maintained)
  • pdf2pwg (needs cargo add and cargo build, only A4 pages which seems totally sufficient)
  • pdf_renderer (security focused, pure Rust, may crash, incomplete)
  • @pmk
    5•7 months ago

    I use the Gnome document viewer, and every time I recompile it automatically refreshes and keeps position etc. I compile with $ luatex <myfile.tex>, not sure if that matters.

    • @boredsquirrel@slrpnk.netOP
      1•7 months ago

      I have tried that too, but not for this task. Well packaged, so I will compare it.

      You know, I am looking for something that doesnt flicker, at all.

      • @pmk
        2•7 months ago

        I don’t know about flicker, since I only recompile once in a while.

        • @boredsquirrel@slrpnk.netOP
          1•7 months ago

          Yeah, that is likely the best way when you are more knowledgeable, but currently I would explore how to do everything with direct feedback.

          • @pmk
            2•7 months ago

            Oh yes, same for me if I’m positioning an image or making a table, I compile to double check every little edit to the code :) I just mostly have plain old text so no surprises.

            • @boredsquirrel@slrpnk.netOP
              1•7 months ago

              Same. I really need to learn typst, it is very cool.

              Markdown is kinda useless, because

              1. Always when I want to make notes, I want WYSIWYG to actually work with them. I dont write them for someone else or something. Pandocs defaults using texlive are bad, Okulars markdown style is also not very nice.
              2. I need something more powerful for actual papers, just like Typst. Possibly other candidates too, but it needs pagination and more.
              • @pmk
                2•7 months ago

                I started with LaTeX back in the day, but it was too hacky and complex, so I went to ConTeXt, which felt more consistent and planned out. Then I did OpTeX for a while and eventually I picked up the TeXbook by Knuth and it all just started to make sense to me. So now I use plain TeX with my own macro file to fill the gaps in functionality, I implemented colour support and picture support and small macros that I needed. I am very much into grid typesetting, so I need to know where all the vertical material comes from. There are areas that still scare me, like modifying the output routine or several \expandafter in a row, but usually that’s not needed. With plain TeX I can know every detail of the code down to the primitives. Of course this is possible in LaTeX too, but, there’s just a lot of code, layer upon layer, and I’m not smart enough to keep all that in my head.